Im sorry to start a new post but desperately need advice.My vet has put my girl on antibiotics( noroclav) tablets plus she got an injection too for an infection 3 days after giving birth to  litter of 8.He has told me to keep her apart from the pups for 24hours because the antibiotics will cause the pups to have upset tummys.Half of the litter lost weight and were failing to thrive so i have been topping them up with lactol and this morning they had gained a bit although one pup is still very thin and vet is unsure she will make it.My girl is desperate to get to pups,ive fed them but they are still crying.she only has milk in her last 4 teats,rest have dried up,what do i do?

call the vet and find out exactly what the implcations for the pups are if you let her feed them

I did and he said an upset tummy,think because they have been losing weight he feels it might make things worse but this morning they had gained weight x

could you put maybe one of the strongest pups on her just to help her feel better?

I'd think they were as likely to get upset tummy from being fed a formula as any reaction from the antibiotic.

As I understand it Noraclav (recently had it for one of mine for an infected wound) is the substitute for Synulox, which I have given to both nursing mothers and newborn pups (18 years ago bitch had enteritis and I'd lost two pups) with no issues.

I've given Synulox to a nursing bitch with no problems, for mastitis.    Advice was to keep them feeding from the bitch and  just keep the affected teat from them.

I have frequently given nursing bitches Synulox or Noroclav and never had the slightest problem with the puppies. If one puppy is thin and dehydrated subcutaneous fluid will definitely help. I always use Welpi and find it excellent, never any upset with the puppies.

Have answered you on your other thread, but really hope that you have let mum be with her pups.  She needs to bond with them.  And with them suckling her milk yield will increase. 

I decided to let mum in with pups.All pups are gaining weight daily.I still have a small one but even she is gaining weight,however she has got very bad diarrhea,she is the only one that does,is there anything i can give her?

Yes, just a very small dose.

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They deliver next day.
Glad that you have done the right thing.  :-)

With the C.Sections we've had, our bitches were always given antibiotics, and in NO case, did I have to remove the puppies from her, or were they showing any signs of problems from the antibiotics coming through the milk.   You could counter this possibility by giving the puppies a very tiny amount of natural yogurt (probiotic).

Do you have a mentor you can call on because, given I'm no vet but do have experience of bitches being given antibiotics, my inclination would be to get these puppies back on mum asap.    What infection did mum get because I suppose removing the litter might be down to her infection, not the antibiotics.

I have never used Lactol, using Esbilac if I've needed bitch milk replacer.   Or goats milk which won't have all that a bitch replacer milk should have in it.   It is close in make up to bitch milk however.   How often are you feeding the puppies - they need, at only 3 days old, to be fed every 2 hours, right around the clock.   Which with 8, bottling, is bound to be an endless task, and tube feeding would be faster.   And you will need to be doing the peeing and poohing she'd have been doing and which is vital, for the comfort of the puppies.   Also if she's not with them, do you have them warm enough - 80F on the floor of the whelping box?   Morbidly chilled puppies won't nurse and will die.

Her milk should come back, once you get the puppies nursing and provided she's eating up okay.   This is far from an ideal situation, which you'll realise!!

I hope you can get this sorted out asap.

Add -   I now realise this OP was a few days ago, so clearly you have them all back with her now - GOOD.  For the smaller one, get her onto the teat, a middle one which she'll be more likel to manage, first so she gets a good go before the others push her off.   And again natural yogurt, just a tiny amount, may help her digestive problems.

My girl had an emergency c-section and spaying with her litter in December, she was put on Noroclav for 10 days afterwards and we weren't told to not let the pups feed, there were no problems what so ever.

Thanks so much for your replies and help.She is still nursing and cleaning the pups but because she just has milk in her rear 4 teats that is why we are topping up the pups.I do have fabulous mentor but is overseas due to a sudden   bereavement so for this reason im not contacting her.The pups have a heat pad plus a small heater on in the room,they are in my liviing room and of course we do have central heating but its a huge room so i bought a little plug in heater too,i also make sure they dont over heat. x

>because she just has milk in her rear 4 teats

the number of teats do not reflect the amount of milk produced, nursing does, so now they are gaining I would not be topping up the larger pups at all, or ease off so the supply increases.  by managing the feeding correctly so the smaller pups get fair shares you won't have problems.  Stick the greedier pups on the non/less productive teats, until the smaller ones have their fill (I never find the front ones show much milk yet from pups behaviour it is clear they do get milk from them).

My Inka who is currently in whelp had five pups in her first litter and had a preference for one side and has a missing teat one side.

With her second litter of 6 (she was the oen really ill first few days and I lost one pup and had to initially top up two) she looked very peculiar as all five spigots worked on her favourite side and on the other only three as the nipple nearest her elbow had never been used in the first litter, and wasn't being used that time either.  I wonder if it will come in this time.

Contrary to what most people tell you I have often found the very front teats nearest the head to be favoured by pups, maybe being smaller they are easier to manage initially???

Also the pup with the squits may be overfeeding when you top her up, be careful not to let her get too full, as this will cause her to be squitty.

Thank you for your update littleberry, it's always nice to get feed back when people have tried to help/give advice.

I'm glad that you sound a little more settled, and I hope that your pups grow to be little fatties.  Good Luck.  :-)

Many years ago, a mentor gave me advice for a very greedy kitten who was pushing the others off and  getting all the milk.
He was huge whilst the other kits were normal sized and clearly hungry all the time.

I was advised to top up the greedy one, whilst allowing the smaller ones to feed from mum and just let him finish off when they had finished.   As he was bigger, and extremely lusty, he took the bottle better, leaving the others to get mums goodness.   I t also meant that I only had one kitten to top up, instead of five.

I'll admit I was dubious at first,  but it worked well.    All the kittens did well and although he was larger at first, they soon caught him up :-)

In your position, I would be putting the smaller/smallest pups on first to get their fill off mum, whilst topping up the bigger pups afterwards.   It sounds wrong, but that littlest one needs mums milk more than the bigger ones.   Are you putting the littlest one on mum before the others and in between, if sh/he'll feed?

Yep, if we had a smaller puppy, I'd make sure he/she gets latched onto one of the middle teats first so the bigger bruisers didn't push it off.

Tonight one of the pups is struggling,not one of the smaller pups either.she is very weak,not feeding from mum or from me so worried is there anythng i can do? I so wish my mentor was here right now x

> Tonight one of the pups is struggling,not one of the smaller pups either.she is very weak,not feeding from mum or from me so worried is there anythng i can do? I so wish my mentor was here right now x

I would take to the vets if it was one of mine.

Only just seen your latest news.  I do hope that a vet has now advised you.  Let us know what happens.  We are all rooting for you.

A quick update.My vet advised 2 hourly top ups and to keep her warm which she was anyway so thats what a i did and by morning she had bounced right bck never been so relieved in all my life! All the pups have gained weight nicely too x

Every day, a little step further.  :-)

Phew, glad to hear it! :-)