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By cb87
Date 30.11.13 04:11 UTC
iv got a litter that is 36 hours old and one of the pups have been pushed out and is very cold, mum isnt doing a great job but im not giving up hope yet, i have removed the pup to try and warm her up but she is very floppy, i have wrapped her in a towel and put her on some warm rice, an i doing the right thing and is their anything else i could do to help?

I'll just bump this up for you as I have no experience. Would it help to have pup snuggled up on your skin for a more constant temp, like you would with a new born baby? All the best.
By Lexy
Date 30.11.13 08:45 UTC

Keep the pup with mum, as it needs her warmth & the rest of the litter will help keep it warm...do you have a heat lamp on them?
Latch her onto a teat.
Hope all is well, and that the pup is ok.......... if anything like that happens again the first place I would put a pup is on my neck with my hand warming its back, warmest place to warm it up instantly, and then as has been said straight back with the dam and the other pups for body warmth, much better than a towel or anything else.
Are you sleeping right next to the whelping area? I probably do not sleep much for the first few days as you need to be like a hawk, but even saying so you could be right there close your eyes for half an hour and this happens.
Let us know how the pup is, hope the wee thing is doing ok now.
By Dill
Date 30.11.13 10:57 UTC
In addition to warming the pup, I would make a very strong mix of boiled water (warm) and glucose (just get a teaspoon of powdered glucose, and moisten it with the same amount of boiled water till it's dissolved, or if you have liquid glucose, this will work) and put a drop or two in her mouth. She will absorb the glucose through the skin inside her mouth and this should help to revive her.
Have you checked the pup for cleft palette? Is/has she been suckling properly?
Remember, a chilled pup can't digest milk, so it's important to get the pup warmed up and keep it warm.
Hope the pup is ok

If I need to urgently warm up a pup or kitten I use a hairdryer -with care of course.
By cb87
Date 30.11.13 15:23 UTC
Sadly we lost this poor girl this morning, she had anti b's and fluid under the skin but it didn't help, Iv now got a boy going the same way, mum wasn't looking after them at all so they are now with a surrogate bitch who only had 2 pups that are 3 days old, she has happily accepted them but I'm still keeping a close eye on them, the 2 pups are/were only a little over 200g, average is about 500g,
By cb87
Date 30.11.13 15:30 UTC
Anyone know if pets at home sell nutridrops? Or where to get glucose from? Would dopram work?

First of all it's vital that newborn puppies are in a warm environment - once morbidly chilled they won't nurse. The temperature around the box should be at least 80F. We used a brood lamp above the box with our puppies so eve if mum took a time out, they were still warm. Newborn puppies cannot regulate their own temperature. Secondly did you have the vet check the puppies for abnormalities you might have missed. And unless you have experience, mum should have gone into the vet for a shot to clear out any retained birthing material. If she hasn't, this may be why she's perhaps not being as good a mum as she should be.
And are you sleeping in the room with mum and the litter? We hardly left their side for many weeks. It's all too easy to miss something and easy for some clumsy mums to overlay their puppies.
You do need somebody right there to see what's going on - your vet should help but you could use a mentor, somebody who has had a litter or two. Also check Fading Puppy Syndrome - I don't mean to alarm you, but this is a very real condition, and if you have another puppy going the same way, this could be more than just a poor dam.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=nutri+drops&tag=mh0a9-21&index=aps&hvadid=3170093285&ref=pd_sl_907immxzrm_eYou should be able to buy glucose at your local chemists or even supermarket.
By cb87
Date 30.11.13 15:54 UTC
I have had litters before but never anything like this, the dam was taken to the vet yesterday morning where she was checked and the pups were also checked, I had a blanket covering the floor and a heat lamp above but mum had kicked the cover away and the pups were on the cold floor, she wasn't letting them suckle and would run away if they cried, Iv tried laying with her to keep her laid down but she still wouldn't allow them to suckle, they are with aunt now who is doing a great job and mum hasn't even noticed they arnt there
By cb87
Date 30.11.13 16:37 UTC
Any advice on glucose dose? I'm got some powdered glucose
> I had a blanket covering the floor and a heat lamp above but mum had kicked the cover away and the pups were on the cold floor, she wasn't letting them suckle and would run away if they cried,
You should have the pups and bitch in a contained box or pen, only large enough for bitch to lie flat out in any direction (that way pups don't get lost in too large an area)with the sides made draught proof, and preferably a blanket over the top to make a Den.
You should stay close to the pen and plug pups on, rescue wanderers etc, or you will loose pups with a Mum who is a bit clueless.
A heat pad is preferable in a domestic situation, as they will chill from the floor up, a heat lamp unless it's a short coated breed will warm Mum more than pups which is wrong way round as Mum will be too warm and pups colder.
As for new mum not allowing pups to suckle if Mum is clueless at first you hold her and soothe her while you get pups on to feed, which they should be doing almost non stop for the first three days to bring milk in and help bonding.
By Lexy
Date 30.11.13 17:59 UTC

You wont need very much as too much can make them scour. Say half a teaspoon in quarter of a pint
By cb87
Date 30.11.13 18:25 UTC
I made up half a mug and 1 level table spoon, i only gave him 2ml but it fetched him round in a couple of minutes an he then managed to suckle for a few minutes, he is a lot stronger than he was earlier but he is small so I'm just keeping everything crossed atm
By gwen
Date 30.11.13 22:50 UTC

There comes a time when being in with Mum and siblings is not enough, and when a reluctant bitch will not settle. With a veyr small pup (200g) there comes a cirtical point very quickly, much sooner than with a medium or large breed. If Mum is being detrimental to the pups will she settle out of box and allow you to put pups on to feed every 2 hours? You may have to closely supervise the feed - I lay my bitch on the bed and kneel besdie them, monitoring and helping pups. I use vetbed on floor of box and heatlamp about. I would be supplement feeding your little one as well as giving glucose or rehydration solution. Tiny amounts every hour can be very effective. Check frequently for dehydration and check weight loss of weight gain after each meal until you see a positive up swing in weight several times in a row.
By JeanSW
Date 30.11.13 23:55 UTC
> Would dopram work?
No, no, no. It is far too late for dopram. And never use prescription medicines if you have no idea what they are for.
By MamaBas
Date 01.12.13 13:42 UTC
Edited 01.12.13 13:50 UTC

You are right of course!
And just to add, even with the number of C.Sectioned litters we had, we have ALWAYS been able to get mum to settle with their litters, even given they didn't smell like their puppies, but of the vets!! You just have to get in the box and gently persuade mum to lie down, latching on say a couple of the puppies at first, making sure mum doesn't try to snap at them. Once she's more accepting, then you add the rest so she's not over-whelmed with the whole lot. With any luck nature should kick in, although it doesn't always work like that, and at the end of the day, you just have to get going with bottle, or tube-feeding (faster with a big litter) these pups, every 2 hours, 24/7. For this reason clearly it's far better to get mum to cooperate if at all possible,.
Our litters were in a 4 X 4 box with pig rails round 3 sides and a heat lamp. On the floor, which was off the floor of the room by a few inches, we had newspaper and a vet bed on top. This kept 'em all snug. I hope you can sort all this out, with your bitch doing her job. And that not only includes feeding, but helping the pups to eliminate too. That's another chore if it's left up to you. In case she's really nasty with the puppies, have a box, in the whelping box, with a warm pad in and once all the puppies have fed, every 2 hours or prior shouting to be fed, remove them from immediately with her, especially when you need to leave the room.
By cb87
Date 02.12.13 10:10 UTC
Sadly we lost the little boy yesterday morning, all pups are now with their aunt who has more than welcomed them, the mother is happy and has now joined the other dogs again, I'm keeping a close eye on her though as she does have milk and I don't want her to get infection
By JeanSW
Date 02.12.13 23:24 UTC
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> I'm keeping a close eye on her though as she does have milk and I don't want her to get infection
To encourage the milk to dry up naturally just reduce her food and up the walks and activity levels.
I've recently had a bitch with swinging udders! I couldn't believe how big she got - and it was a phantom. As I don't want to wait too much longer before getting her spayed, I did reduce her food quite lot. It works. :-)
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