This seems like a silly question.  I am taking my first home bred bitch for hip/elbow scoring in the near future and will also be getting her eyes tested.  On digging out registration certificates, I have realised I only have the registration information form that was sent when I registered the litter (the same one I gave to the new owners) rather than a registration certificate.  Will the vet accept this?  Also, will the vet stamp this for eye test or do I need to apply for her certificate? 

Is she microchipped?
The test result can be recorded against the chip number (which is the way non-KC regd dogs can still be tested).
How that then tallies up with the KCwith regards to having the result recorded on their database, I don't know - hopefully someone else can help here. But lack of a KC certificate is in theory, no barrier.

On digging out registration certificates, I have realised I only have the registration information form that was sent when I registered the litter (the same one I gave to the new owners) rather than a registration certificate.

That is your registration certificate. As you don't need to transfer a dog you've bred yourself it doesn't change. You don't need it for hips and eyes anyway, only the information on it which you copy onto the forms you have to fill in, but the eye specialist do need to stamp it.

> That is your registration certificate.

But all the pups you register get a separate form, as the KC will not know wether you intend keeping a pup or sell them all. I have the 3 reg forms for the pups I kept out my last litter.

But all the pups you register get a separate form, as the KC will not know wether you intend keeping a pup or sell them all.

Yes, that was my point.

Well you seemed to have deleted one of your questions....I still have 3 registration forms as they are for the 3 bitch pups I kept.
The breeder, as I expect you may know, gets the litter registration certificate but will also get forms for all the pups bred.

Yes I realised you meant you KEPT 3 -I didn't read properly. :)

The breeder, as I expect you may know, gets the litter registration certificate but will also get forms for all the pups bred.

Yes but the OP was not referring to the cert with all the pups listed on, they said they have the form the SAME as the ones given to the new owners, i.e. the registration certificate for the pup kept.

My friend wanted to get a dog she wanted to use at stud eye tested (he was the son of her dog bred by a lady near me) they owner/breeder didn't have his kc reg paper work only one about the whole litter. She called the eye tester and he said with out the kc reg papers for him he could eye test him but not tell her the results untill he had seen them.

Thanks for all your replies.  To clarify, I do have the individual registration 'certificate' (as well as the one for the whole litter) however, it simply says 'registration information' rather than 'Owner Registration Certificate'.   The vet I use for eye tests requires the KC registration certificate before giving results and has always stamped the certificate of my other dogs.  I was wondering if this individual 'registration information' counts as the 'owner registration certificate.

The form you have is the only form there is, as far as I am aware. It does state who the owner is just before the name of the dog & as long as that has your name there, you are the registered owner.

As the breeder/owner that certificate is fine but if you want the other all you have to do is send it on and they will swap it FOC.  That info should be on there somewhere. 

I got a 'proper' registration cert when I asked, with the one I bred and kept. But that was when she was still a puppy, I don't know if it would make a difference years later. But your registration information certificate should be enough if it's got her KC number and so on.

>That info should be on there somewhere.

They omit that from the new ones so not sure if they will trade them in anymore FOC.

I'll be interested to know what happens with eye testing as my youngest one has the 'Registration Information Certificate' and I plan to get her eye tested next Autumn before breeding.

I have just had a bitch I bred eye tested and only have the same as you and the panellist was perfectly happy with that.

That's good. It's all I used in the past, but then they called it the breeders registration certificate.

All of my current breeding/showing dogs are home bred.
I've never used anything BUT the original paperwork for their health screening.

But they recently change the name on the ones the breeder gets. 

I think they used to be called breeder registration certificates, now they are called 'Registration Information'.

I no longer have the ones for the others as I did trade them up into the proper certificates when it said you could do so.  I note it no longer tells you that you can do this.

EDIT:

Oh yes it does, but in very tiny print right along the bottom in the bit with disclaimers.  So to be absolutely sure and to get rid of that horrid invasive advertising I'd request a new certificate.

Thanks everyone and that's exactly what I meant, Brainless ;).  I did phone the KC who informed me that there is a box to tick for a FOC certificate - you need a magnifying glass to see it, but it is there.  I checked with the vet I go to for eye testing and they said the registration info should be sufficient, but I will get the FOC registration anyway, just in case.

PS  was informed by the KC that it is the same as the Breeder registration certificate but they changed the name to try and encourage new owners to register their puppies as so many don't - the idea being that because it says registration information rather than 'certificate' new owners would be more likely to register ;).

> try and encourage new owners to register their puppies as so many don't

I still have 2 of my last litter still not transferred to the new owners. I have reminded them to do it, as they have just had their 1st birthday.
I wonder if it would be an idea for the breeder to transfer into the new owners names but then think how much more does the breeder need to do???!!! It bewilders me that they spend, in this case £500 on a puppy & dont spend just £15 extra to transfer it. They probably wouldnt think twice to buy toys at £5 or more a go though...strange

I find up to half of owners don't transfer the puppy so I have according to the Kennel club 49 dogs in my name including my foundation bitch born in 1992.  My first homebred litter was born in 1995.

I find it even more surprising as mine is an uncommon breed which people often have to go to a lot of trouble to research, so you'd think they would go to the extra step of transferring them.

In these cases, who does the dog belong to legally?

I don't believe the KC reg has any legal standing, re ownership.  It was no help to me when my estranged ex husband stole my first dog, and then gave her away.  I got her back through publicity.

The dog belongs to the person who paid for it, especially if vet bills are in their name.

> I find it even more surprising as mine is an uncommon breed which people often have to go to a lot of trouble to research, so you'd think they would go to the extra step of transferring them.

I have the same with several dogs not transferred. However it does not bother me. 2 people from my last litter asked what benefit there was to transferring the puppy and  I had to say that apart from getting a certificate there is no benefit. The certificate does not prove ownership of the puppy. As these owners were just having pets and do not want to show their dogs they have elected not to bother paying the KC £15 for a piece of paper exactly the same as they already have except with their name on. I can't say I blame them

One of the owners of a dog from my first litter 3 years ago came back to me for their second puppy this summer. We went through all the puppy pack and information once again and I gave them the registration document saying that I wasn't sure why I was giving them this as they'd never transferred their first pup! Sure enough both their dogs are still in my name. It doesn't matter to them as they are purely very much loved pet dogs. :)

I don't see any point in encouraging pet owners to transfer, either. I just checked, and I actually only have 10 dogs still in my name that I don't own, but no less than 89 cats that I have sold that have not been transferred.

Interesting fact...around 1 in 20 of my pet boxer owners transferred.
Around 1 in 2 of my pet Cavalier people do.

The Cavaliers are more recent of course-in a time where many see breeding the odd litter as a little earner
but also I'm sure some dont really feel that endorsements shut the door entirely to breeding a litter.
Un registered and oodles abound in this abused little breed.