Sorry if posting this link is against forum rules (please remove if it is) but what do people think about this?

http://www.labradoodle.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28729

I thought the comments made by members of the forum were very interesting.

Can you enlarge on what it is you find of interest please

I thought it interesting that a lot of the posters didn't want to be involved with the KC so wander, if a decision is made by the KC to "embrace" the Labradoodle , how many breeders would actually be interested.

Doesn't surprise me, the lack of interest in the KC, where there are at least soem breeding rules/restrictions. 

Like most of the other puppies of popular breeds produced by those breeding for the 'pet market' only, if they sell easily why register giving a paper trail???.

Although I do know someone with a Labradoodle who is registered on the KC activity register and when she bred a litter using an F3 dog (whatever that means) she sold all the pups as KC reg and charged £1000 each for them!!

I'm wondering if the KC is thinking of adding a Cross Breed Register or similar.  Putting crossbreeds on the Activity register isn't what it's really meant for.

If people want to breed Mongrels because that is what they are, whatever fancy name you give them, and the KC want to make money out of I don't see any reason why not.
I would like too see all dog breeding regulated, so that their was always a link back to the breeder of the dog. If the back yard breeders had to do compulsory health testing and adhere to good breeding practises they would not find it so lucrative. Anything that stops the indiscriminate breeding of dogs or makes inroads in to achieving that is a good move in my book.
If they are thinking or registering Doodles, Poohs, jugs or anything else as a breed then I would be totally against it. The KC are probably best placed and experienced in creating dog registers, so from a cost point of view alone they would be far better able and more trustworthy than any other organisation I can think of.

I can understand why they would not be interested, after all they can breed what they like to anything they like and claim anything their minds can dream up for the resulting pups so why would they want to stick to any rules however weak. As you say you can charge what you like and claim what you like if you are without the inconvenience of any control at all.

I don't understand - the KC activity register is for activities not breeding???  My WSD is on the activity register so I can take part in KC agility shows.   Likewise she is registered with UKA for their shows too.

The two things that came out for me were the pictures of the what I call scruffy mutts that all looked like nothing that you would ever think they were a cross breed then the ignorant owners.

> I don't understand - the KC activity register is for activities not breeding??? My WSD is on the activity register so I can take part in KC agility shows.

That's what some crossbreed breeders do though - Northern Inuits as well as others, presumably to keep an accurate record of ancestry. There is also no present way of registering a new/imported unrecognised breed with the KC except via the Activity.

The GCCF cat registry has what is called the Reference Register, where anyone involved in importing or creating new breeds or unrecognised colour variations of existing breeds, can register the offspring. Many of these don't progress, but when they do there is then a certified ancestry going back to the original foundation stock. Yes these are GCCF registered, but can't be shown.

Now, I am not assuming the KC is going to take on Doodles as a breed - far from it, despite what was said on that forum link! But the dog equivalent of a Reference Register means that ANY crossbreed can go on it and its offspring recorded if bred on from. This then gives traceable ancestry and records of health testing for anyone wishing to purchase any of the current trendy crosses, including traceability to the pure-bred registered foundation dogs used.  Then MAYBE - and that's a big maybe - if these mixes ever do go on to become a recognised breed, then there is a solid background of generations of recorded ancestry. Or, if they don't, then there is still a means of avoiding inbreeding issues and recording health tests.

It not only frees up the Activity register from being misused in that way, but creates a way that prospective buyers can look for health tested dogs in any of the current fashionable crossbreeds being bred as pets. With HD seemingly rife in Labradoodles, and who knows what eye issues may crop up with the other crosses, it seems a sensible way to go in the interests of dog welfare.

Don't see how these crosses could be call a bred until the breed true to type how would you know it was what it was supposed to be. OK there are some startling variations in some of the breeds but nothing like there are in crosses and most people breeding pure breeds do strive for breed type but the cross breeders can't because they are all so very different. Creating a new breed is a solo or small group activity you can't have everyone joining in or you finish with a miss-mash of miss-mated.

Step one what are you breeding for and aiming to produce?

Taking the Cesky Terrier as an example, this breed started to be developed over 60 years ago, they were recognised as a breed by the FCI in 1963, however it was over 25 years after that they were recognised as a breed by the KC here in the UK. This breed had been developed for a purpose(hunting)not just the look or"hypoallergenic"coat & were breeding true to type since the 1950s.

This would mean that the cross poodles still need a lot of purposeful development before any registry(other that Dog Lovers etc)will even consider recognizing them as a breed & probably around another 60 years

> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">This would mean that the cross poodles still need a lot of purposeful development before any registry(other that Dog Lovers etc)will even consider recognizing them as a breed & probably around another 60 years

it is the first step on a long process. Plenty of breeds are going through it to be recognised by the UK KC.

I was surprised to read in many of the comments on that thread that not knowing what you are getting appeals to doodle owners. Why not just get a rescue then? Makes no sense to me ?:)?

edited to say when I say breeds I mean the likes of international breeds being recognised, not doodles who are of course not a breed

I was just hearing about our local Doodle breeder, she can just about guarantee any size or colour the buyer wants, charges between £1500 and £1800 per puppy, chooses the puppy for the buyer who isn't allowed to see the rest of the litter, the puppy is just brought out into a reception area.
But here's the clever bit, if you wish, you can buy a bitch for cheaper ,if, you agree to allow the breeder to have three litters off her before the owner gets her neutered, the bitch goes back to the breeder to be mated, and then is kept there until she has the puppies.

I was just hearing about our local Doodle breeder, she can just about guarantee any size or colour the buyer wants, charges between £1500 and £1800 per puppy, chooses the puppy for the buyer who isn't allowed to see the rest of the litter, the puppy is just brought out into a reception area.
But here's the clever bit, if you wish, you can buy a bitch for cheaper ,if, you agree to allow the breeder to have three litters off her before the owner gets her neutered, the bitch goes back to the breeder to be mated, and then is kept there until she has the puppies.


I'm having a hot flush on this one Celli......I've just bought a st poo pup,both parents are twice world winner .ch status and cost less that this mongrel.   ....... Phew...pass the port LOL