Hi everyone it's time for skin disorders now:)
The bald patches on kylies back are not what the man told me ie cuts from the fence. They are however some kind of allergie the vet did in house tests and revealed they are not mange, scabies and two others sorry can't remember name's but one of them was mange related?
The vet has prescribed Antibiotics to be given two twice daily (Ceohalexin caps 500mg) and also a medicated shampoo to be used twice a week(Malaseb).

On sunday when we got kylie, she had the worst doggie smell ever(and I do mean the Worst) on these bald patches were horrible crusty little scabs, so didn't bath her til vet give the ok, we bathed her last night and she was fantastic just stood there! I was dreading the bath as this shampoo had to be left on for ten mins.

So now bath done these scabs have just washed away, however when we go back to vet if he thinks it has not cleared up, he will want to do a biopsy this is the other thing she will have to go under for:(

With regards to the smell vet thinks she will probably suffer from this for rest of her days(sad thought) obviously not as much but will.

Don't really know what sort of replies i'm expecting so any info or good sites to share will be appreciated:)

Alison

Hi What is the skin like underneath these crusty scabs now you have washed them?

Hi, The skin now is still quite reddish and a little flaky, if that helps? That really is the best way of describing it, the scabs had a horrible yellow look to them.

Alison

It sounds possibly like superficial pyoderma link and [link http://petplace.netscape.com/Articles/artShow.asp?ArtId=97&cboArticleContentsNames=15000]link[/link]

Hoefully the antibiotics will clear it up along with the shampoo.

My oldest Golden had an allergic reaction to something and got this and your description sounds very similar.

SaraW :)

Thanks for these links SaraW off now to see what i can find!

Alison

With what i've just seen on those sight's it is probably superficial pyoderma, thanks ever so much saraW

Hi. I have had probs with the skin of my Mastiffs and I have always found that Evening Primrose oil has been wonderful and cleared up a variety of complaints within a very short space of time. If you combine Evening Primrose with Cod Liver Oil the results are apparently even better. I have had one of my Mastiffs see the vets on more occassions than I care to recall and also a dermatologist, tried every remedy available from antibiotics to shampoos including malaseb, but nothing has worked quite like evening primrose oil. One of my dogs suffered for near on two years with what I can only describe as an allergic reaction however since he has been having Evening Primrose Oil he has never had a problem with his skin. Don't buy from a "doggie supplier" as it will cost you a small fortune. If you decide to give this a go, believe you me though it really does work buy from "human suppliers" such as Holland & Barrett as it works out a lot cheaper.

Hi thanks for the info, I actually started kylie on evening primose oil on saturday, cos i'm led to believe that it will help her coat get a nice sheen to it as it is really dull at the mo'. So i hope it does help with her skin:D I'm also giving her garlic capsules aswell poor thing's going to start rattling soon:D What mastiff do you have bull,english or neapolitan?
Thanks again for the info:)

Alison

or get it through the vets - viacutan - evening primrose oil for dogs, and get the insurance to pay for it.

Ebbie has is all the time - allergy to flea bites - helps loads.

Nikki x

Thanks nikki

But as we only got kylie last sunday the insurance wont cover it! We have insured through direct line but every company has a fourteen day policy, and as she needed vets straight away now nothing is covered for six months(regarding illness)

Alison

Hi Bob, would you be interested in an old fashioned h/pathic remedy? I have just seen one & I can ask for permission to cross post if you like.
Christine, Spain.

Christine
Yes please that would bbe much appreciated

Alison

OK Bob, will ask now :)
Christine, Spain.

Hi Bob, here it is.

"Hi all,

I thought you might be interested in an old fashioned remedy for itchy skin
problems. I have used and recommended it many, many times, over the past 30
years - with fantastic results and no ill effects.

Back in the 70's I rescued a little GSP bitch that had a dreadful skin problem.
I felt sure at the time that the Vet could put it right but after a year's
treatment the condition was a million times worse. I then tried various
internal/external alternative/herbal remedies, which were quite messy and time
consuming but they didn't work either. In desperation, I started searching
through my Grandmother's old books and noted the following:

"Sulphur is used as a local application for skin diseases and in particular for
such as depend on parasites, such as the itch. It appears that it is not the
sulphur as such, which is of value, but, in contact with the skin, compounds of
sulphur are formed, namely sulphuric acid and sulphuretted hydrogen, which are
destructive to the life of minute organisms.

When sulphur is taken internally it stimulates the bowel and produces, without
pain, an easy soft stool. It is, therefore, used as a laxative whenever there
are conditions of the bowel, or neighbouring organs, in which more active
purgatives would do harm, in cases of piles, for example, and pregnancy, etc.

Sulphur waters, such as those of Moffat and Strathpeffer in Scotland and
Harrogate in England, are used for similar purposes. These waters contain
sulphur in the form of sulphuretted hydrogen or as salts, like sulphide of
potash, etc." (The Household Physician' 1900)

By some strange coincidence I also came across a very new paperback edition of
K. Sheppard's "The Treatment of Dogs by Homoeopathy" (1972) and glancing
quickly through the pages I came across the following:

"A Sulphur solution bath (2 ozs. of sulphurated potash to 1 gallon of water) at
weekly intervals for about three weeks usually is enough to effect a cure. When
giving the dog a sulphur bath, the solution must reach every part; though great
care should be taken that it does not get into the eyes. Do not rinse the dog
but dry thoroughly and see that it is quite dry before returning it to its
quarters. Give one dose of Sulphur 200 once a week, or Sulphur 6 morning and
evening till cured."

I managed to get the Sulphur (Potassium sulphide (poly) 'Liver of Sulphur')
from a 'big' Chemist shop in town and the tablets (200th potency) from my local
Homoeopathic pharmacy.

My little bitch seemed to get instant relief from the itching after the first
'dip' (I soaked her in the made-up solution outside in the yard, as the smell
of the stuff was revolting). After the third 'dip' she rarely scratched, raw
weeping wounds were healing, and the hair could be seen growing back in the
bald areas. I continued once weekly 'treatment' for about another month. She
made a full recovery.

Since then, I have given all of my dogs a Sulphur 'dip' and tablet once in the
month of April, and again in October, each year as a 'tonic'. It is suitable
for use against fleas, lice, and ticks, mange (Sarcoptic and Dermadectic) and
most skin problems.

Regards,

Val Hudson".

Christine, Spain.

Hi Christine
Is there any way of telling me where I can get this sulphur from to make the bath solution. I have tried my local chemists but none supply it. If anyone could send me some I would be more than happy to pay postage and other costs. My lurcher has a very itchy skin at the moment.
sue

Hi W/mum, I`m sure the poster mentions a *well known* chemist so I think it`s possibly Boots?? :) Maybe someone else could let us know please? The tablet form you can get from a heath shop. HTH
Christine, Spain.

Hi Christine
I already get the tablet forms of hp from a homeopathic chemist near to where I live. He tells me though that the other forms of sulphur are irritant and he wouldn't supply them. Boots were not very helpful and said it was an old fashioned remedy which they no longer stock :-(
Sue

Well they would say that cos it is an old fashioned remedy :) Possibly the other forms of sulphur are an irritant, thats why it`s important to get the right type. I`ve got a link about sulpur & I`ll put it up when I find it.
All I can say is the poster managed to get it a short while ago, have you tried doing a search on the net? Or is there another big chain of chemists besides boots or maybe a different branch? I`ll see if I can come up with anything.
Christine, Spain.

Thanks Sara for the links,helped a lot

you're welcome :)

My lad cleared up fine and hasn't had a reoccurence either.

Sara :)

My 8 month old pup has something like that :( Vet said it was an allergic reaction, possibly to flea bites. On Sunday there was one scab, on Tuesday there were 2, and by Friday there were more than 20, a massive patch along her right ear and neck, with a few on the other side of her neck and on her head. Vet had to shave her long fur to get to it, and she's now home with antibiotic tablets and an antibiotic/anaesthetic/anti-inflammatory cream. She's been so listless these past few days and the area looks sooooo horrible, all red and scabby and sore. We could feel the mass of lumps but when the vet shaved her it was even worse than we ever imagined.

Hope your pup is getting better with the treatment. Kylie has come on in leaps and bounds ( is that the right saying?) The vet was worried that new fur wouldn't come throough has we didn't know how long she had the bald patches, but I'm so glad to say new fur is growing:) I don't regret getting kylie for a minute she is one family member I couldn't be without!:) We could see the difference in kylie's skin within a matter of days of starting the treatment. I am also starting the sulpur next week as posted further up the thread.

Alison

Hello everyone,

I am new to this board and I am located in Hong Kong, I am having the same problem with my Golden, she has the same problem as Kylie. Our vet also prescribed the same antibiotics and Malaseb to shampoo her. The vet also gave her an injection for Sarcoptic Mange (Scrabies) in case this was the cause.

The vet also recommend me to purchase Evening Primrose Oil for her, but it was too expensive! HKD500=£40 for 90caps OUCH!!!
I really need some help and information on what brand you are using and where I can purchase the Evening Primrose Oil online, I can't seem to find it anywhere in Hong Kong!

HELP! HELP!

Thanks
Sonja

Hi Sonya
Sorry I haven't replied sooner hubby must have been on the board so I haven't seen this post marked as new.
You can buy evening primose oil from health shops. I didn't purchase mine from the vets but from health shops hope this helps.

Alison

Sorry, totally off subject - Alison, how's Kylie doing now, is she well settled in?

M.

Hi Marina
Kylie is doing really well.

I can't believe the difference in her personality she so loving, energetic she is still living outside at the moment as i didn't want to change too many things until we had got used to each other. As I hadn't planned her we had no proper kenneling or anything outside so we left our garage wide open for her, so on day two hubby bought big shed and built a run and she has adapted to this excellently. I now don't know wheter to try and introduce her to being in the house or leave her outside ( she does come in kitchen under supervision through the day) At the moment she is chewing everything she can get her teeth into including the very expensive shed we bought for her
She is very bouncy and full of life now unlike the first few days so I definitely think she know's she has landed on her feet.

I introduced bob very carefully over the first week and for the first time on saturday were both in the garden together no leads on. They played like they had been friends for life. Obviously I will still be very careful for a long time yet but I was so pleased. My cat Pinky introduced herself on the first day without any help from me! I went into the garden to find pinky and kylie drinking water from the same dish. The man did say she didn't like cats!

I am having just one problem with kylie at the moment htough and i'm not quite sure how to deal with it. When I go outside to her she just jumps up at me with excitement, now at the moment I don't want to push her away and ignore her to rectify this as with her past I dont want her being ignored. Any ideas?

she has now got new fur coming through which i'm really pleased about as the vet said it may not come back depending on how long she had been this way.

Alison

Hi,

That's great to hear - by the sounds of it, I'd let her live outside until the chewing is calmed a bit, then start increasing her time/access indoors gradually.

Re. the jumping up, my extremely exuberant pup doesn't jump at me, but does at my non-doggie sister! However, she has her very well trained as she just turns her back on her (might need to steady yourself with a Dogue :)), then as soon as the pup sits she makes loads of fuss - only took a couple of goes, and my sister visits rarely, so don't think it would make Kylie feel unloved.

M.

Thanks for that but tried it and I just come back inside with huge paw prints on my back:D
Ps I know there same size but kylie's a neapolitan mastiff:)
My wash pile cant cope with kylie I'm changing clothes every time I go outside !

Alison

Course she's a Neo :o, doh, just thought 'big slobbery dog' and hit on the wrong one!!

You've got big and slobbery right.
My son tyler is shoulder height to her mouth and he comes outside with me then whinges (look mum she's got me again) slavver all over him yuck!!

It's quite funny though sometimes because he's really proud when he tells everyone he's got a new dog who's got cherry eye bless him he doesn't understand! Most people just think he's saying scary eye.

Alison

Marina
Thought i'd let you know how the jumping up is going. So far now now it's slightly under control I can tell when she's going to jump as she stoops then jumps so when I see her stooping she get's a very sharp NO and is working a treat.
She is in today having her eye op done I'm so worried, deep down I know she'll be ok but can't wait to get her home.

Alison

Fingers crossed that her eye op goes well Alison, you'll soon have her home and well. She really did fall on her feet when you went along 'just to see her'!!

Did you manage to get your vet to agree to do her hips while she was under, I take it not from your previous posts? (I did this myself, my vet was happy to do it whilst xraying for a limp, and because it was leg related anyway all I ended up paying was the BVA fee, jammy eh :D)

M.

It wasn't my vet doing the op so no. So wanted it doing under sedation instead but he won't do that either. It's a pain really as now I'm doubting my vet and wondering if I should looking for another. He's adamant she needs GA for this doing. read hips thread.

Alison

OUCH - thats expensive the ones I buy cost about £2 for 60. Can you order them via the web

Hi

Did you manage to get the sulphur for the solution bath? You said you were going to start the sulphur next week - how did you get on and where if you managed to get the sulphur from?

Chloe