Getting a BIS/BPIS, G1, BOB/BPIB, first or a placing?

I read somewhere that getting placed isn't enough for some people. Is that how you think? Does it depend on the show?

Never given it any thought, it is nice if the judge likes your dog but it is only the cream of a good day out with your dog.Of course, if you are stood in the challenge you hope the judge will be choosing your exhibit but if not well may be another time.

Depends on the owner....if you're new, just bought in a potential show dog or an inexperienced eye to truly know the standard of your dog..then testing the water under a variety of judges should give a fair evaluation of the dog.

If you're an established breeder of winning stock..
It Depends on the dog. What age it is,it's condition and maturity.
If its a lovely puppy, full of breed type and in good condition then Best Puppy, a mature pup on top form, group placing.
A youngster out of puppy but not mature enough for CCs then top three placing or left at home to grow up.
Mature top quality adult in full bloom, the CC and maybe BOB. Group placings in the toy group are hard come by especially for bitches at general championship shows.
When you're breeding from top quality stock, getting low placements repeatedly means either you've kept the wrong puppy or you are not progressing.

If it is a show without tickets, BOB. If a show with tickets, RCC or CC. BP in any show if there is decent competition for it. But yes, you cannot compare apples and pears -huge difference between a breed with hundreds of entries and one with two dozen or less. A 3rd in a huge class can be far more difficult to obtain than a BOB in a rarer breed. But I still wouldn't come home from a show and say I'd WON unless it was more than a class win. One thing I find hard to bear is when people shout on Facebook or similar and say they got say BOB -and when you check entries, it was out of ONE. I always point it out if that was the case with my own dogs as it seems too dishonest otherwise.

I used to go to a class and one of the organiser/instructors used to come in and be bragging that she had got a 3rd in open dog ...................when you looked at the critique there were 4 entries with one absent!!!!!
so in effect she came LAST !!!

winning tecknely is coming first it would cover winning the show, winning the breed, winning the dog/bitch ticket, winning the class etc.

I think a lot will come down to how many dogs were there too, in my breed you can end up being the only one in the class at some shows, so I wouldn't count a class win as a win if I came 1st out of 1 as its not realy an accomplishment where as in some other breeds there can be loads of dogs in the same class.
Id be very happy with just winning my class where as other people wont be happy with a class win and will want nothing less than winning the breed. Each to there own at the end of the day.

Technically of course it would be coming first, though usually if it's out of 1, my fb status would say (out of 1 haha) or some such. But I'd be perfectly happy with 2nd or 3rd out of 5/6, or any place at a champ show. Like someone else says, depends on the dog - my first boy who I lost 3 years ago, I would be disappointed if he didn't win his class at an open show and come 1-3 at a champ show. But alas, I haven't got anything of that quality at the moment and have to be satisfied with hoping to beat just one dog if I'm lucky. I don't need to win BOB to feel the day has been worth it, but I do miss having a more competitive dog!

I go to shows locally to me as dont drive and most of the open shows im the only one like the Guildford show recently but then went on to get group 2 puppy so beat some to get there lol.
Always say how many in class as its being honest. Same as Windsor qualified for Crufts with a 3rd but only 3 in class just happy that im going to crufts. Still learning so enjoy my day out and learning all the time.Anything more is a bonus lol.

Nessa

Same here - I have 2 qualified for next year, one did it properly with a 1st of 3, the other lucked out with 3rd of 3!

It could be worse you could have been dismissed from the ring instead I all ways say.

My girl qualified Sunday with 2nd out of 4 was well pleased she did so well and stood nicely for the judge.

I agree , I always say if small entry. For a long time I was suckered in by how many champions some of the European/Australian breeders of my breed had, until I realised thry could be only one at the show and would never have to beat a dog to get the title.

I always used to be happy getttng placed, now though I have a very good dog I feel dissapointed if I don't get anywhere :)

I think for me coming in the top three at a champ show.  We had our first unplacing with one of our boys this weekend and I was quite disappointed I guess but it was a strong class.  We can't please all the judges all the time can we.

At opens class wins and very happy if BOB and even happier on Group placings!  gundog groups can be huge!

When I first started showing any placing was enough and at champs qualifying for crufts the goal.... they have now both qualified for life an achievement I never thought I would have - I still smile at this as they both got their stud books on the same day!

I enjoy my dogs and showing and hope I continue to win with pride and lose with dignity ;) 

I've only been showing for a year but somebody in my breed said to me. "At first you'll be happy with getting placed, then you'll only want top three, then you'll only be happy with winning the class. Before you know it, only CCs will be enough".

> Somebody in my breed once said to me. "At first you'll be happy with getting placed, then you'll only want top three, then you'll only be happy with winning the class. Before you know it, only CCs will be enough".

Well that's true, and it's human nature. I stopped showing when I didn't get even a thrill from CC's or BOB, I was looking at the Group instead. I had a break of a few years and then took a bitch out that hadn't been shown since puppy - she was now a veteran, I did get a thrill when she won ticket and BOB but didn't have anything to go on and show then.

Now I have the silken windhounds and only 1 show a year in this country and 1 a year in Germany to go to and I love it again, any place is fine, it's back to being simply the fun of getting together with other enthusiasts.

>I've only been showing for a year but somebody in my breed said to me. "At first you'll be happy with getting placed, then you'll only want top three, then you'll only be happy with winning the class. Before you know it, only CCs will be enough".

Cant say I fully agree with that, speaking as one who's not on that 'treadmill'.
I have babies, youngsters and one in Graduate/PG at the moment. Not all are ready for CCs.
My biggest thrill is winning with new puppies. CCs are nice but I dont like getting BOB much, I hate the late drive home and all the hanging around.

But then Ive been showing for decades so Ive been through all the stages and happy how things are now.
I was asked what my goals are now in the Dog Fancy and I think its to have a group of dogs who can win at the highest level...whenever I chose to take them out.

> Cant say I fully agree with that, speaking as one who's not on that 'treadmill'.
> I have babies, youngsters and one in Graduate/PG at the moment. Not all are ready for CCs.
> My biggest thrill is winning with new puppies. CCs are nice but I dont like getting BOB much, I hate the late drive home and all the hanging around.
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Have to agree, Have bred 4 UK champions and owned another in partnership that we imported.  Though I have never hit any dizzy heights, had a couple of champ show group placings and two overall stakes class wins.

Normally happy with a first as long as it's against competion.  If we win a CC prefer not to get BOB.

Thanks all, I'm pretty happy with how my puppy has done in the two months that we've had him. I'm sure he'll do very well when he's fully grown and in full coat.

It's good to hear not everyone strives for BIS/BPIS :)

I have the same breed as Jo (I bred Fay). I was really pleased with Fay's placing at Windsor, Jo has worked hard with her since she nearly died last year from Parvo and it has taken a lot of effort to get Fay back in the ring and be happy with the judges going over her.

I suppose I'm just happy if my dogs enjoy showing and if they get placed, brilliant, but you always take the best dog home.

A high placing in a large class, or Open class at champ level is also good, it's the level of competition you beat that is pleasing

This is very intresting, a friend has bought a puppy a year ago, went to ring training,with the new puppy, decided she new better, having been a showing person all her life, she has been to many shows now with the pup and not ever been placed. She won't be told how to show it, and it looks awful in the ring and on the move too. She has also over excersied her aswell, so the youngster is so on the leg.
I have now heard that she has had the health tests done, and wants the endorsments lifted. It is not 15 months old yet.[a retriever breed]
The breeder is at her wits end, she is a good friend of mine. Been threatend, etc the woman has been to the kennel club, and been told they will lift the endorsement regardless.
She bought the pup as a pet too.
what do you all think please.

The kennel club will not lift the endorsement unless your friend failed to apply them correctly.

That is they should have put it in writing and got the new owners to sign to acknowledge the endorsements and kept a copy.