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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Hipscoring Panel
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 29.04.13 19:32 UTC Edited 18.05.13 17:11 UTC
I'm having my working cocker hipscored on Wednesday. Does anyone know how long the panel is taking to come back with results these days, or have any idea when they last sat? I hate the waiting bit. :/
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 02.05.13 13:32 UTC
Anyone? :/
- By Trevor [gb] Date 03.05.13 05:57 UTC
Just had my young dog hip scored they said the results would be back in around 2 weeks
- By jemmagrace [gb] Date 03.05.13 18:37 UTC
They sit every week now I was to,d so should be back in 2 weeks, my last lot were back before 2 weeks
- By Goldmali Date 03.05.13 18:54 UTC
I had one done 12 days ago, nothing yet.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 03.05.13 19:08 UTC
They sit quite frequently and aim to do them within three weeks, but they can only do so many at a time so there will be backlogs from time to time, which is why I always advise that it can take about 6 weeks if your unlucky and adding in postage from and to your vets and then to you.
- By dorcas0161 [gb] Date 03.05.13 20:57 UTC
My results were up on the KC website before I received them from the BVA.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 03.05.13 21:00 UTC
Now my last ones took ages and I had to chase them.
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 07.05.13 20:10 UTC
Thanks everyone, am checking the KC site daily lol. The endorsement has just been lifted by his breeder so waiting for the results of his hips is dragging.
- By Goldmali Date 09.05.13 15:08 UTC
Just had my latest result today -bitch was x-rayed on the 22nd of April and I got the results in the post from my vet so 17 days later -but they are NOT online yet.
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 10.05.13 09:17 UTC
Mine was done 1st May so sounds like I've got some waiting to do yet. Were the results good Goldmali?
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 18.05.13 12:08 UTC
Result arrived today...3/8
- By Ells-Bells [gb] Date 18.05.13 12:42 UTC
The endorsement has just been lifted by his breeder so waiting for the results of his hips is dragging.

I wouldn't be lifting an endorsement prior to the results coming through - sometime they can throw surprises...
- By Hazenaide [gb] Date 18.05.13 13:06 UTC
That is interesting that the breeder has lifted the endorsement now. When I have a litter go and discuss endorsement  whether I think they have any intention of breeding or not, I explain that I would lift the endorsement subject to good hip scores and good specimen. Seems to defeat the object of endorsement if you do not know when lifting.
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 18.05.13 14:05 UTC
The endorsement was for eye tests, which he's had and was clear. Hipscoring is an extra test I chose to do.
- By Hazenaide [gb] Date 18.05.13 19:37 UTC
Ah - I see. We don't have eye tetsing for our breed. Only hips which can't be done until one year olf course. I don't know anything about eye testing. What age do you test for clear?
- By Ells-Bells [gb] Date 18.05.13 19:55 UTC
I still wouldn't have lifted the endorsement until the result was through - what happens of he has a high score?
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 19.05.13 10:26 UTC
You can't add in extras on endorsements. His endorsement was eye tests, he had it and was clear, so she lifted it. Simples.
- By Hazenaide [gb] Date 19.05.13 10:57 UTC
So does that mean you can be specific about endorsements or is it because you did hip scores even though it wasn''t a breed requirement?
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 19.05.13 11:48 UTC
I think so. Eye tests are the important one, so that's what the endorsement covers. I'm not a breeder so don't know the details, this is my first endorsed pup so it's all quite new. 
- By Noora Date 19.05.13 14:27 UTC
It is up to the breeder to say when/if endorsements are lifted and this should be part of the contract so in writing.

Mine are lifted if the dog passes hips/elbows, eyes and genetic testing that I feel should be done on any dog of my breed that is bred from.
I also require dog to be shown as a standard but of course if I chose to lift an endorsement on a dog that had no health testing done and was not shown I could do that, it is up to me.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 19.05.13 15:31 UTC Edited 19.05.13 15:38 UTC
Well done on getting your dog hip scored!!

> Eye tests are the important one


I have to strongly disagree with your dogs breeders attitude.  A dog with perfect eyesight isn't any good if it's crippled with bad hips.

All dog can develop Hip Dysplasia, including working lines (A friend has a severely dysplastic field trial bred Springer, who has had to have both his hips replaced before the age of five).

If the breed is the one that it looks like from your Avatar (Working Cocker) then BVA Hip statistics http://www.bva.co.uk/public/documents/Breed_Specific_Statistics_2012.pdf show

Cocker Spaniels:

Number scored: 1100,
Range of scores: 0 to 99,
Mean Score (average of all scores): 13,
5 Year Mean:11,
Median (most common score): 11. 

This shows the breed in quite a good state re hips, but with a range right up to 99 no room to be complacent.

My own breed has the same Mean as yours and the range has been 0 - 61, yet as breeders we consider it important to hip score all breeding stock, and this is part of the breed clubs code of ethics.  As is eye testing and DNA testing for prcd-PRA. 

I beleive that cockers are supposed to be DNA tested for prcd-PRA and also FN, as well as having clinical eye tests.

This is from the Cocker Spaniel Breed Council website: http://www.cockerspaniel-info.org.uk/health.htm

HEALTH SCHEMES & RESEARCH
The Cocker Spaniel is generally a healthy breed with no major problems.

However there are some inherited conditions that do affect the breed. The most significant conditions are PRA (Progressive Retinal Atrophy), and FN (Familial Nethropathy or shrunken kidney) which are both recessive (meaning both parents must carry the faulty gene to produce affected progeny). Some Hip Dysplasia is also seen in the breed. Hip Dysplasia is more complex and it is likely that several different genes are involved. It is also likely that environmental factors (exercise, growth rate, nutrition) play a contributory role in the development of the disease.

Kennel Club health schemes, as listed below, have been set up to help breeders try to eradicate some of these problems..............
- By Goldmali Date 19.05.13 17:31 UTC
Good score DarkStorm, bet you're relived it's over and done with now. :) Forgot to reply earlier about mine, my bitch came back as 6/4.
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 20.05.13 13:24 UTC
Thats good then. Health tests, ppl go on about the cost, but the stress of it is worse!
- By SharonM Date 21.05.13 10:51 UTC
My boy had his xrays done last week, now the long wait.....talk about stress......lol.
- By DarkStorm [gb] Date 21.05.13 19:50 UTC
Best of luck Sharon. x
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