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I have not got a clue since I haven't followed any previous threads prior to you posting this one:( But I would just like to say I hope you get something sorted out soon since you sound truely fed up with it all now. Go make a cuppa and put your feet up for a minute- take a load off:)

Stacey x x x

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I am aftaid that you will need to take them out sepoerately. Contrary to a lot of peoples hopes the yopunger dog does not help the older to be more confident, rather the younger learns to be afraid from the older.

This is the main reason when people want a new canine family member I always advise (from perdonal experience) that the older dog is trained and behaving as you would wish b efore a second one is added to the equation.

I have a friend who has a young bitch who is dreadful on the lead for fear aggresion, barking and generally acting up. Her new pup will not go out in public with her until she is cured of this, even if that is never.

Sadly this 17 month old bitch was purchased to keep her 5 year old male company, as her two old ones where unlikely to live much longer, sadly he died of Liver Cancer a month before on of the old ones, hence the new Pup.

It may be that your freind and yourself will never quite cure this baeking at strangers fear, but includeing another dog who will reinforce it, from copying eill not help.

I suggest that you take them out seperately, and you can then concentrate on being clam and matter of fact with them both. Do not pander to their feasr, but get th4em to focus on you and speak in a cheerful upbeat tone 'leave it' good boy, that's it look at me etc.

It will be harder work (two lots of walks) but it will be better for you and them.

I'm afraid the aboistop collar wouldn't be suitable for your situation as either dog barking would set the collar off, which would mean niether dog could control wether they would get 'squirted' or not, which would negate the way they work ........

Have u tried standing in front of ur dog so they don't see the other dog and telling ur dog to watch u (watch me treat), then continue on, and repeat as needed, if they try to move u just keep getting in front and make urself more interesting. I was just told to do this in my dog class today since Tiva and a Rotty kept having starring problems and barking at each other. Seemed to work. She is really good at watching me did a lot of practice with this at home (she is a real treat dog).

U put the treat from their nose to ur eyes and at the same time as ur moving it to ur eyes say watch me and reward.

If u have all ready tried this then just ignore me :)

ttfn :)

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Daisy I strongly suggest that you walk them separately. Try carrying a water pistol and giving a quick squirt at the first bark with a sharp 'NO'! You don't have to go far to practice - if the soldiers are outside your front gate practicing then take the pup down to the gate to watch. If she barks - zap her! It will also help her get used to the fact that they are there.
My dogs are also very wary of people approaching but if I see their tails or hackles starting to go up I remind them straight away that I am there with a quiet but firm 'NO' or 'BEHAVE' and they settle back down again. If I leave it to them to make a decision on whether to react to the approaching person I will almost certainly get at least a loud growl or a bark.
Quality of life is more important here than quality of walks. Your dogs have to change their behaviour to make both yours and their lives easier. It's no joy to own a problem dog. Concentrate on obedience training rather than long walks to get your dogs responding to your commands, taking notice of you and being easier to control.
Lara