Was playing about on the web, following links to do with my breed (also known as wasting time when I should have been doing the house) and I came across an ad for a blue dog that is proudly advertised as father to 80 litters, with a fee of £100.

I know it shouldn't surprise me, but I am just so shocked. Needless to say, no mention of KC reg etc., etc.

My breed can have up to 11 or so in a litter. All those poor, poor, "let's make as much money as we can" puppies.

would you happen to have a large working breed? if so i know the dog you are on about.

I was having a play with the KC site and found a Ridgeback dog that had sired 97 litters. Unbelievable greed :(

Honestly 97 litters ?

Worst still ridgielover that dog has not been Health Tested.

Isn't there a famous Golden Retriever stud who has sired hundreds of litters?

It's frightening when a dog sires a huge number of litters. What if it's discovered that he carries some problem then it will be rife within a breed. So selfish and greedy :(

I know a person who had a litter recently and she used a stud who was only charging £150. much less than most of the breed. The owner apparently makes lots more money  by having bitches a couple of times a week rather than charging a large stud fee and only having bitches more infrequently. He does KC reg but strangely enough the dog doesn't have health tests. And it is a popular but rare colour for the breed.
This person suggested I start advertising my boys for a bargain stud fee and make enough money to have a holiday. She really can't understand why I don't.
Mind you she also doesn't understand why I endorse my puppies and waste money on health tests either.

Have a look at the new facebook group  Dog Breeding Information/ Advice   Loads of people all seeking advice about how to breed there pets !!!
That is besides all the pups for sale on the various for sale sites on facebook, the whole thing is horrendous.
People just wanting to make quick money and then no thought for the resulting pups.
Makes me just want to cry, and while they can sell these pups/ Kittens for very little money compared to what good breeders charge the trade will just continue.

Didn't Yogi the Vizla sire excessive amount of puppies/litters. It does the breed no good, any breed to allow any dog to become a popular sire. I've seen a fair few dogs who are and tbh their offspring really have a lot to be desired, a few good ones but in the main somewhat mediocre. It ties up lines which really don't need it and why would a bitch owner want to use a popular sire and for the owner of the sire to allow him to keep being used... Worries me a lot...

Wonder if the Tax Man knows.....after all we pay our Taxes , sometimes on very small incomes, seems to me that number of stud fees amounts to a huge income not declared !

There's a dog within one of my breeds that was siring litters before he was 12 months old, is still used prolifically, and is not the only dog the breeder has campaigned to such popularity.  But people are wary of saying anything because the breeder is known for their *ringside manner*. 

> Didn't Yogi the Vizla sire excessive amount of puppies/litters

Actually I checked and based on the FCI breeding advice that no dog should sire in his life more puppies than 5% of the total bred in the preceding 5 years, then he was within that figure.

On the other hand with my won breed it would mean no dog should sire more than 24 puppies in it's life, so great care needs to be exercised when choosing stud dogs, especially as of the available dogs, many are not offered at stud.

More important is to make sure that the matings carried out maximise diversity, so repeat matings using the same dog on litter-mates etc is not useful to a breed.

Hopefully with the KC making pedigree and registration data more easily available breeders will be able to make better decisions based on what is going on in the breed as a whole.

For example how is a breeder to know that a dog has been over used, they may be aware of some litters but not have the full picture.

When mate select came out and with our breed now having a DNA test it was easy to check on the health testing stats how many litters a dog had sired as long as eh had progeny with listed health tests data, and I have to admit I was surprised by how many litters had been sired by some and how few by others that I thought as being influential.

It isn't just how many pups a dog sires, but how many go on to be bred from themselves.

You can have a stud who hardly has any offspring used for breeding,,and another used sparingly that becomes a popular sire through his offspring,a nd the sires owner would have no control over this..