hi all, i have a cavalier bitch who is 7weeks 3days gone,so far everything is fine except for a few glips with feeding etc,but from what i understand this is normal so im not to worried about that.unfortunatly she didnt have eye hip heart tests done before her mating,so i guess im wondering what i can do about that?is it possible to have these done now(even though the deed has been done) or will i need to have all the puppys tested...:(

I am no expert in all of this but from a moral point of view I would say that when you bitch has her puppies, at the correct time, have the tests done and then if there is any problems be honest with any new owners. The sire should have any tests required for your breed done. I would also have restrictions on the puppies registrations until such time as you know the results are successful.

BFN

Pam

hi sorry to sound daft but when you say "at the correct time have the tests done"on who? poppy obviously...but also the pups?? also i dont see how it would affect registration,a low/ high hip score has no relavence does it? the registration is just a confirmation that the pups are prurebred .....

As the bitch hasn't been heart checked or had her knees checked you must make it very clear to the new owners that the puppies are not to be bred from and that you can't guarantee their future health.

My cocker spaniel has got endorsements on her registration certificate saying that she's not to be bred from and can't be exported (both of these can be removed with her breeders permission).

Fiona
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Edited to add - look for some posts by Kia Mummy (she's got cavaliers) and she's given the address of a cavalier specialist forum in one of her messages so they'd probably be able to help. :) Found it !! CKCS forum. HTH

Hi there,

Tests done on Dam and Sire.

The reason I say at "the correct time" is that hip scoring etc is done at particular times as may some of the other tests . I am not experienced with some of the tests so you would need to enquire.

Most tests can't be done at puppy stage so it is more important the puppies parents are done. Which cannot guarantee the puppies future results but It is likely the puppies would be better to come from low scores rather than High scores.

Without sounding nasty surely you could see that untested parents puppies should not be bred from until the parents are tested. Endorsments can be put on the puppies registration certificates to avoid them being breed from.
If you got the sire and dam tested and the results very very poor you would not want the puppies used for future breeding so you would put endorsments on the registration papers. I would do this until the tests had been carried out anyway.

The registration is for many things not just proving purebred. It shows test results, whether there are endorsments etc.

Hope this makes sense.

Call the KC and they may explain things to you or search on Google for some of the tests and see explanations.

Pam

The breed club is probably the best place to get advice about tests relevant to your breed and may be able to help you arrange it. I reckon whoever you speak to there will probably give you a hard time for not knowing this before but you will be used to that from here;):) and well done for picking up the advice and running with it :).

Heart and eye tests on cavaliers should be done at around 1 year old or as near too that age.Obviously you have left it a little late and will have to wait until your pups are weaned before you can take your bitch to be checked.You need to make an appointment with the relevant specialist nearest to you so that you can get your certificates in order before you find homes for your pups.Some of the cardiac practitioners do have a slight waiting list but I think you can get heart testing done at some of the larger dog shows .If you PM Cathryn on CKCS forum she has a list of all the heart and eye specialists in the country and I'm sure she'd be only too happy to help.Oh! you dont need to have your pups done but you should make sure that the sire has test certs and get copies.

hi thanx for the links...i have spoken to the owner of the stud who assures me daddy has had all the tests done. im taking poppy over there at some point today or tomorrow for a "chat" and an update as the lady has very kindly offered to give me a hand. so i will make sure that daddy has beed tested then:)

Hi
If the stud has had his checks done then the owner wont mind showing you the certificates!!If he wont then I think its safe to say hes not being truthful.
I would also think that a responsible stud owner who had had his health checks done on his dog would have wanted any bitches put to him to have had the same with suitable results!!
Archer

Eye tests can be carried out at any time, even with a pregnant bitch or on very young puppies. In fact with some breeds, Collies for example, can only be tested and given a pass for Collie Eye Anomaly before the age of 12 weeks! After this time they can only be given what is called "Go Normal".

Because of the fact that some eye problems can develop late in life the test can only determine that the dog is clear AT THAT TIME and should be repeated at yearly intervals. The exception to this is the Glaucoma test which is a once in a lifetime test and is not needed with most dogs (Cockers ARE on the list for this test)

John

Sorry John, you're right. It's eyes too for Cavaliers. Hereditary cataract and Multifocal retinal dysplasia I think.

Central Progressive Retinal Atrophy, Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy, Goniodysgenesis (Glaucoma). Also under investigation at present are, Persistent Pupillary Membrane (third eyelid) and Multiocular defects.

Regards, John

John
In some breeds like mine Lens Luxation also

Well done Bettyboop . I feel very proud for you . I am sure Val does as well.
Ok this time you mated without the tests, I have the feeling you wont again.
It is a good person that takes a second look at what they are doing and that gladdens my heart.
I for one am plugging for you that the puppies will all be well and healthy.
Keep us informed of the litter and good luck
Mari

I'm really pleased that you're following it up Betty. Not sure that I'd put too much faith in the owner of your stud dog, as if she was into testing, she would have mentioned it to you before the mating.
This is the Cavalier UK site http://www.cavaliers.co.uk. (You'll have to copy and paste as I can't do links!(
Heart and knees are certainly the most important for Cavies and there is information about health on this page.

thanx.....like i said before im not a breeder and dont pretend to be 1...i felt that i had done all checks needed,like you said you would think that either the vet or the stud owner would have mentioned this and at the end of the day you can only work with the info your given rite? obviously i want my dogs to be happy & healthy!!
p.s something john said in a post has really worried me...about the third eye,poppys eye looked really sore last week,i took her to the vet for her scan and mentioned it to him,he said it was completly unconnected and that she had prob just caught it but her "third eye" looked a bit infected.he gave me some eye drops and its nearly cleared up now,im wondering if her pregnancy has flared up an underlying prob with her eyes???

Doubtfull if the two are connected, that sounds more like a tear duct problem making the eye a little dry or even an injury. The drops should very soon clear that up.

Regards, John

thanx nm...:)

Hi, One point about the stud dogs heart or other tests: the dog owner advised you the dog had had his heart tests - but what were the results? I would ask to see the results in black and white and maybe even ask for a copy of the hopefully " No abnormalities detected" result - often written on test result forms as N>A>D>. You could say you want to show it to puppy buyers. Its very common to ring up about puppies, to ask if the parents are tested and the breeder says "Yes they've been tested", which satifies 99% of enquireers, but that doesn't mean the results were actually satisfactory results!! I know I'm an ol' cynic!!

Best of luck with the babies. At least you tried your best and went to the vet before mating. None of us know everything, especially with a first litter. Full marks to you for trying, and a pox on your vet and the stud dog owner for not giving you the info you needed when you needed it.