I have posted on general board to let you all know how i've got kylie

We took her to the vet's and it is cherry eye, i have done a search on the board and read various thread's however with the info i have gained so far none of this is really clear ( i know what cherry eye is ) it is the treatment that concerns me.

The vet advised that he will tack the gland back into place, i don't agree with this at the moment as it seems on all the info i've read it is the most expensive avenue to take, apparently this procedure is temporay as mainly in neo's this gland will pop straight back out again, causing another operation. I am also aware that removal of the gland can induce dry eye.

The vet has prescribed some eye drops to try and subside the condition at the moment and help kylie cope with it a bit better , he is not rushing the surgery as there is something else she may have to go under for, and he doesn't want to put her under twice.

We have to go back in twelve days so i need to find out as much as possible before then so i can discuss the options in more detail.
If any body could give me some links it be very much appreciated i have already read the articles on these pages www.neapolitan.org and www.pettribune.com

Alison

Sorry I don't have any personal experience of cherry eye that will help but I do use this site a lot for info about eye conditions generally & there is a good section on treating cherry eye (the various options etc)

HTH

Jane

Hello Alison
I have an American Cocker with Cherry Eye. I chose to treat it conservatively rather than opt for the sugery. I do not agree with putting dogs under anaesthetic if it can be avoided. The eye was treated initially with steroid eye drops and anti biotics. When the swelling was under control I found that the gland could be manipulated back into position by smoothing over the bottom eyelid gently but firmly with my thumb. Tilt the dogs head upwards when you do this. Of course the gland pops out from time to time but it's put back in immediately, and as time goes by, it comes out less and less often. I'm happy to continue this management indefinately rather than subject my boy to surgery. Perhaps I have been lucky! but this works for me.
Dawn R.

Janes
The link you gave has ben very helpful so thank you, have you got another link tucked away in your favourites with regards to skin conditions.

Alison

As far as I know the main problem with cherry eye is the infections. If you can keep any infections and swelling at bay I don't see the need for surgery and in other posting, yes you can manipulate the gland back into place. I have also done so in the past with one of mine and it's fine now. If there is no pain or irratition why operate ?

Margaret

Thanks for the info everybody.
My vet has prescribed Fucithalmic eye drops.
Apparently when the gland first pops out it is quite hard, in kylies case the gland is extremely soft, it seems that the gland has (in my vet's opinion)been out for maybe twelve months or more

To a certain extent I agree with the if there is no pain or irritation why operate? So this is why I am asking the board for advice.I have read some where that there is an eye drop that can be administered once the gland is back in place to reduce the size of the gland, does anyone know of this being effective the name is perisudone I think or something like that.

I am going to discuss all avenues with my vet before a final decision is made.I am going to start a new thread tomorrow about skin disorders so please watch out for it as this is the other thing she might have to under for:( Tonight however is devoted to cherry eye.
Thanks for all the help so far and please keep info coming:)

Alison

I have a boston terrier that had cherry eye in both eyes at 7 1/2 weeks. I had her third eye gland tuck done at 8 months it cost me $226.00. T-Bone will be 2 years old in February. There are 2 kinds of tucks that u can get done, I'm not sure which one she had done. My vet does not believe in removing the gland since they need this to produce tears and u would always have to put drops in their eyes. I did have drops to put in her eyes before the surgery because the gland was rubbing against her eye and she could of gone blind. Then after surgery I put drops in for about 7 days. Since the stitches were disolvable I did not allow her to get very active for about 3 to 4 months, I allowed walks but no runnning or playing were their was dirt or sand (did not want anything in her eyes). By the time the stitches disolve they have scared over and thats what keeps the gland down. I was told that they can pop back up, so I did not want her getting all hyper because I was scared that would put a strain on her eyes thats why I never allowed running or anything. (hope that made sense).
Her eyes look beautiful and they have never popped up, and I never have to put drops in her eye again.
Hope this helps some.
ttfn :)

Dollface

That's what the vet wants to do stitch it back in to place. But the info i'm reading is so conflicting It seems that this is not advisable in neo's as it will inevitably pop out again within hours days or maybe a few weeks, the vet has told me that it may come about again so yet another op bill.

My vet has given me an estimation of what the initial surgery will cost if that is what I decide to do

Eye Drops £9.55
25mins Surgical Time £102.75
General Anaesthetic £86.68
Total £198.98

Is this a reasonable amount for the GA I have never had a dog to go under before. Please don't think the cost concerns me as it doesn't as long as it the best way to go for kylie, I just don't want to pay over the odds.

Alison

I was told that it would more then likely pop up no guarentee that they would stay down at all. She told me some do and some don't. Sometimes only one pops up. We were going to leave her eye's if they didn't bother her but the gland was rubbing against her pupil and she was starting to get a film across her eye (only the one eye)and she could of gone blind. Thats why we did the op. Me being parinoid I never let any running for about 3 to 4 months because I never wanted to put strain on her eye's, I wanted to give the stitches the time to disolve and the scar tissue time to scar over. Well it worked and my vet told me that may of helped. Where my vet works there are 3 other vets and one of the other vets does his a different way, so she checked to see which way she figured would work best. I wish I new which one she used. She showed me pictures on both and explained how they would be done. I was told if they don't pop back up in a month good chance they will stay down, thats why I kept her calm for 3 to 4 months the stictches took that long to disolve completely. They usually do pop up in in the first few weeks.

My thinking was when they get over excited,running,ect. has to put some sort of strain on the eye's and does not give the tissue a chance to scar over and the stitches just let go. Thats why I never allowed any hyperness. U could try the op and hopefully it works. Hopefully it will. I know of some people that do remove the gland but me personally I would never do that. Good luck with what u decide to do. How old is ur Neo?

ttfn :)

Hi dollface

Kylie is four, please read Long Story on general board, then if sometimes I sound like I don't know what i'm on about you know why:)

Alison

:) well do let us know what u decide and good luck with the little one.

ttfn :)

Dollface,
LOL she's not so little:D 46kgs to be precise
Alison

Dollface These are the names of the three different procedures used in the tacking of the gland, i'm hoping the names might jog your memory.

Tacking to the periorbital tissue
Tacking to the periosteum of the orbital rim
Imbrication Technique

Apparently the latter is the most common used as it is the easiest to learn.If these don't ring a bell could you follow jane's link further up the thread as on this site it does show you drawing of each technique, hope i'm not asking too much of you:) But I really really want my decision to be the right one:)

Alison

I'll call my vet when I get home from work and ask her which one she used, too early right now 4:30am. I have to be at work before 6:30. I'll be home around 4:00 so I'll give a call then. I was looking for her paper work from the vets office but can't find it, still looking. So if I find it I'll let u know k. (we moved almost a year ago and I'm still unpacking stuff :( ) When are u planning on doing it if u do?

ttfn :)

I found my papers/reciet and all it says is third eye gland tuck x 2. I'll have to call and see if there is another name for it.
ttfn :)

Hi Dollface

I have spent ages on the phone talking to three very reputable Neapolitan Mastiff breeders and they have recommended the removal of the gland. Apparently this is really the only way to go for this particular breed.
But my mind's not made up yet!

The op won't be done for at least three weeks as we have got to get the skin thing under control first.

Thanks dollface:)

Aliosn

Hi Alison,

I take it as you know her age, you have some sort of papers for Kylie? Have you been in contact with her breeder, and are they helpful if you have or 'not my problem any more' types?

No reason for asking this really, other than nosiness! :)

M.

Hi brihow collies

I haven't has yet got in touch with her breeder's as the phone is just ringing so going to try and phone again tonight as they might be out at work. I have however got in touch with the breeder of her mother, who I must say were very helpful indeed,:)And they are breeder's listed on champdogs breeder's page:)

Will post again when i've spoken to kylie's breeder.

Alison

Hope they're good people, then, as you'll no doubt need all sorts of assistance from people with Neo experience, and there don't seem to be many of those on CD.

Hope Kylie's appreciating her new home, particularly in this weather - suspect she'd have been having a very miserable time of it. I know people say you shouldn't necessarily take dogs home because you feel sorry for them, but I bet you wouldn't have slept a wink if you'd left her there.

Marina

I called my vets office and all they told me was a third eye gland tuck. I will not be going into see her till February 7th for yearly shots on Dozer.
It's totally up to u on what u decide to do, but me personally I would try the tuck and hope for the best. If it did not work then I would have them removed. Thats just me. Do what u feel is the best way to go. I do wish u luck and hope everything works out for the best. :) But will ask her when I go see her, sorry :(

From looking at the pictures that she gave me it looks like the Imbrication or the Orbital one, but I'm thinking it was the Orbital one. Because she was saying something about putting the cherry back to where it should be closest to the most natural place. Will ask on that day because now I'm curious which one she did.

T-Bone was 8 months I believe when I did hers. Good luck on ur skin thing.

ttfn :)

Hi All,

Sorry it's took so long to reply but I've changed my working hours so the dogs won't be on their own any more, they were only alone for two and a half hours in the morning but now they are never alone my hubby works mon -fri and I now work sat and sunday, So i've not been on the pc all weekend it's killed me:)
Brihow Collies I still haven't spoke to kylie's breeder yet as been at work all weekend so am going to try and phone again today! I do hope there in! Kylie is doing exceptionally, she is gradually gaining weight 47kgs now(she was 46 on tuesday).

Dollface thanks, we are now not having the op done for at least four weeks as the vet wants her vaccs done first, as these are not up to date, So you will be able to tell me which one before she has her op!

Something else now I was advised by a breeder is that we use rapeno vets anaesthetic it's nuch more expensive but is the best one to use. Does anyone know why?

A great big thank you to all.

Alison