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By klt90
Date 08.01.13 10:22 UTC
Hey guys, so I have something really strange going on with my females! None of them are falling pregnant!
Il start with my boxer. When she was two she was mated day 10&12 and produced a beautiful litter of 9 puppies all healthy, the past two yrs I have mated her to two different studs and nothing.
Last year I also mated my fawn pug to my own stud dog (who has never missed) and she missed. I then when on to breed her to a sperm tested male and she missed again!
I also bred my black pug to my male stud starting from day 8-16 and nothing!
In December I took my French bulldog over 250miles away to be mated to a top stud dog, ydai I had her scanned and suprise suprise nothing!
What could this be?! I can't be getting the days wrong for all these girl and it is certainly not the males! I have spoken to my vet and the only advise I get is to do a premate. But I own my own stud with my pugs and he mated them every two days for over a week so surely they should have taken? I feel the only thing left to do is blood test them all but for what I do not no?
Any help would be very much appreciated! Thanks

I'd try the herpes vaccine.
By klt90
Date 08.01.13 11:19 UTC
I was thinking the same thing Hun as I was wondering if mate my boxer girl had bought it in. Do you no exactly when the injection would need to be done? Also I was told to give a course of antibiotics when my girls in season? Seems a shame if I can't breed them as I bought them all from great breeders and have had them all hc tested, patella ect.
By Merlot
Date 08.01.13 11:59 UTC

Seems a lot of breeds to be trying to mate....why so many?
>Also I was told to give a course of antibiotics when my girls in season?
My vet, and others local to me, won't give out anti-biotics unless they need to, one stud dog owner insists on bitches being on AB's for the week before mating, but my vet refuses, which I can understand.

The herpes vaccine is done around time of mating and then again approx. a week before pups are born.
By tooolz
Date 08.01.13 12:30 UTC
Some years ago a very well known boxer breeder expressed her opinion to me..that if you keep more and more bitches together, fertility drops....like in big cats in the wild or other breeding colonies.
With all the talk recently about bitches missing, smaller litter sizes etc...it's anyone's guess.

The first one is given within a week of mating and the second one 7-10days before due date, most vets have to order it in so mention your plans at the onset of the season you plan to use it on. I would discuss testing your dogs for the virus if possible to have a starting point to go from as most cases of CHV the pregnancy is confirmed but doesn't continue to produce live pups or the pups fade and die shortly after birth.
One case I know of the bitch had a premature litter all stillborn but good sizes, no thought given to it being CHV, the following year she was mated again to a home stud, went into labour when due but screamed blue murder delivering the first pup,a male, smaller than the stillborn ones had been,then went on strike and refused to push anymore despite good contractions, when examined by the vet she had vaginal strictures which with her past history was put down to CHV,she had a c/section for the remaining female pup,everything went well for 2 weeks and the bitch pup started to fade and despite all efforts passed away, the remaining pup went on to become a great example of the breed but was let go to a pet home as he was too closely bred to be of use in their breeding for several years and they didn't want to risk him passing the infection on to another breeders dogs. The dam was spayed and any future matings covered with a course of the vaccine and have gone on to have bigger litters than before,one such bitch[bred by me] being half sister to the afore mentioned dam and sired by the stud who sired the stillborn litter[ my litter was only his second mating but he had sired a couple more before the stillborn ones].
Hopefully it is just an unlucky phase, I can't see it being a hormonal inbalance in all 3 girls and the lads have been proven/tested to be fertile.
Out of curiosity have all the studs produced pups since being used by you?
By cracar
Date 08.01.13 12:42 UTC
Seems a lot of breeds to be trying to mate....why so many?
I was thinking exactly the same!
By klt90
Date 08.01.13 13:45 UTC
Yes all stud dogs I have used have been very well proven. I honestly jst cannot understand it, my dogs are exercised well, there diet is completely raw which I think is great For them. They are very healthy happy dogs! They have no symptoms of any illness which is why I think it could be herpes. Surely noone can be this unlucky can they? I am thinking of getting in touch with a specialist and having my dogs blood sent to them, surely the vet would no what to test for?
By klt90
Date 08.01.13 13:48 UTC
I personally don't think 3 breeds is alot of breeds! My parents own 3 boxers and a pug, the pug is our stud and one of the boxers is the girl I'm talking about. The other two are retired. In my house I have my two pug girls and my frenchy girl. All the dogs play together most days as we let them to the fields.
By rabid
Date 08.01.13 14:52 UTC
It's not a lot of dogs to *own*, I think the point was that it's a lot of different *breeds* to be trying to mate in a short period of time.
By WestCoast
Date 08.01.13 14:55 UTC
Edited 08.01.13 15:03 UTC
No not a lot to own as pets, but quite a lot to be knowledgable enough to be breeding. :)
By klt90
Date 08.01.13 15:17 UTC
Oo lol well it's jst the way it worked out as my pugs had jst turned two last yr so was there first time and second time and my Frenchie was on her 3rd season the end of the yr so was the best time for her. If every girl had taken then it would have been alot of pups so I would have split them so I have two litters a yr but none have taken. and they are all IMO old enough (18months-4yrs)
They're quite specialist breeds. Do you show them too or just breed them? :)
By klt90
Date 08.01.13 15:40 UTC
I think the Frenchie is a more specialist breed, but I have a mentor when it come to my girl. The pugs can be difficult but I already new about the breed before I owned my girls due to my stud and having to whelp many females. Boxers I don't personally think they are my girls take everything in the stride. No I don't show but two of my boxer pups are currently in ring class and have been winning puppy shows! :)
By rabid
Date 08.01.13 16:13 UTC
Do you carry out health tests on all these different breeds, before breeding?
I'd definitely check out the herpes jab...

You could start by getting the bitches swabbed when they come into season (sometimes a requirement of stud dog owners), get the bloods done (progesterone) to see when they ovulate and get the CHV vaccine done. My vet gives it early in the season and the 2nd one later. That's the girls sorted and then to be on the safe side get the males tested for sperm quality/quantity.
By klt90
Date 08.01.13 17:47 UTC
Yes rabid my dogs have been hc tested, patella, heart, they also are wormed up to date, vaccinations done ect! I don't jst breed rubbish I do try to breed quality dogs regardless of all the different breeds I have! I also have changed them all over to raw as after alot of research I think they will benefit alot more.
Thanks for your advice Wolfie I will speak to my vet regarding swabs ect as I do genuinely have wonderful dogs and I would like to produce some quality pups!

Could there be something in the raw meat, you hear about hormones etc given to increase productivity etc., these would be destroyed during processing for kibble.
By klt90
Date 08.01.13 18:38 UTC
I am on a group of over 2000 raw feeders and have asked questions regarding raw feed an fertility but have only had great reviews so I am hoping tht the change in diet will only add to the health of my animals. But my dogs do look healthier and more upbeat already!
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