Can someone answer me a question please? Someone is advertising that they have a litter of pups which will be DLRC registered, as are both parents, and that the parents are hip scored and eye tested. I thought dogs had to be KC reg (even if only on the Activity Register) to have these tests done? I know one of them can just be done on a microchip/tattoo (ie permanent form of id), any ideas as to whether they're genuine. I know you guys will know the answer

Many thanks

Marisa

could just mean the parents are health tested  and are kc but pups will not be ....godonly knows why tho!! or could be saying this so people dont ask and have a back up plane if new family's ask :( id run amile!!!!.....

Any pure breed or cross breed can have eye tests and be hip scored but obviously there will be no recorded record of it like that kept by the KC.  Although, I think the BVA keep a record for labradoodles as I'm sure I've seen they have a BMA.  I thought they needed to be KC registered but have been corrected and it has always been the case that any dog can be eye tested.

Any dog, pedigree, crossbreed or mongrel, can be hip-scored as long as it's identifiable by either microchip or tattoo. KC registration doesn't matter.

Yes they can be tested by why would you want to register with anyone other than a bona fide kennel association, if there are no records kept there is no point at all. Do ask to see the proof that the test results are actually for the pups parents, although thinking about it there is no way to know if they are the parents is there.

Thanks, this is the wording they used -

'They are full pedigree xxxx pups excellent lines on both parents sides, both parents are hip scored and eye tested. Paperwork will be shown at viewing. Pups will be ready on 15thjan and will have had first vaccinations, and be wormed up to date they're dog lovers reg club not kc as breeders have been with that club over 15 years' and, in response to someone else's query, ..'They're fully pedigree yes you will have papers, kc reg means kennel club reg that's all it's got nothing to do with quality/breed of dog, all it is is instead of going with the kennel club to register our pups, we have chosen to go with a different company which our dam breeders have been with over 15 years.'

I wouldn't be interested in this litter, Nova, (they're not my breed anyway) as like you I can't think why they'd want to go with the 'other' registry unless, of course, parents are not eligible for KC registration. I suppose the fact they say paperwork will be shown at viewing may mean the health tests have been done but I don't think puppy owners will be aware that they can't be shown/their future offspring can't be registered with the KC etc as this is on a pet site.

Point being that unless they are KC registered there is no way of knowing what lines they are from or even if they are full pure breed - the term full pedigree means nothing at all except if there is a record of the ancestry which in this case there is not.

> but I don't think puppy owners will be aware that they can't be shown/their future offspring can't be registered with the KC etc as this is on a pet site.

Some won't be aware, but sadly, some will think it's a good thing because of the poor publicity kc has had in recent years.  There will the those that won't be aware of the difference between kc registration and the 'other' registrations, but the reality is, the vast majority of dog owners have them as pets and have no interest in showing/competing with them so will be unaffected and see no problem.

There's only one reason you go with DLRC as it's cheap.  It's not as if the KC paperwork is expensive.  I wouldn't touch a litter advertised like this with a bargepole but hey that's my opinion only.

>they're dog lovers reg club not kc as breeders have been with that club over 15 years

And therefore the pups cannot be KC registered; perhaps initially the first ones were either not registered or endorsed to prevent registration?

That was my feeling - that they're not actually eligible for KC in the first place but trying to make it sound like they have chosen the other registry as being preferable.

Someone exploiting a bitch of our breed uses them as her bitch was endorsed, they were not prepared to health test so restrictions stayed.

I have said before what ever you think of KC registration, whether you need it or not.  There can be no GOOD reason for pups not to be registered, usually they will be found to be ineligible for registration, for good reason.

Also at £15 a pup it isn't exactly bank breaking in the grand scheme of the costs involved with breeding and rearing a litter, spend more on fuel in the car to take bitch to stud.

you see adverts saying non kc reg such and such a price kc reg they add another couple of hundred, so people may think that having a kc reg dog costs so much due to the price the kc charge for registering a puppy not realising the cost of actually registering a puppy,

we also had an argument on a fb site a man was asking for a pedigree puppy without kc papers as then he would be guaranteed a healthy dog than a kc reg one, when he was asked why he thought that a puppy with pedigree papers meant healthy, when pointed out it was just a piece of paper which listed who the parents where and the gandparents etc where he still said at least he knew it would be better than a kc reg one, someone said to him i know where you can get a puppy you are after with pedigree papers only but they have about 30 other breeds and we call it our local puppy farm where they live in tiny filthy ridden cages, they have no humane contact,they have poor food, no injections, no warmth but at least they are what you want pedigree, he said we where now being stupid,
if people do not understand the difference between kennel club registered and pedigree papers , many people think pedigree papers mean they are kc reg, so maybe the kennel club need to put adverts in local ,national papers ,bill boards, not just the dog magazines or dog papers get it out the the general public .