Anyone know how often they are sitting or when they last sat?

We were told 6 weeks to get the results when we had our X-rays done a week ago. Hopefully would be sooner but I'm not holding my breath.

Did the bva tell you that?

The procedure notes say they aim to score within 3 weeks of submission, trey do sit more than once a month, but of course they may have a backlog at any particular time. 

Certainly in the past if they already had the x-rays and they were not in the next sittings lot to be scored, in urgent cases they have moved them up.

The last xrays I had scored took 10 days. This was just over a week ago.

Thanks for the replies, he was only done on Friday! I'm impatient- and a little nervous after what was said to me (couldn't work out whether what I was told was good or bad... All a bit of a haze after my lad fought the sedation and then crashed out totally).

I shall keep checking the kc website in case it appears there first.

A bitch I bred was scored a few weeks back and the result has only just gone up on KC site

Do you mean the owner got the results a few weeks back and the KC were delayed putting the results online?

I'm still waiting, I know its not been that long compared to how long some have to wait, but this wait is nailbiting stuff! I dont really want to phone marilyn yet...does anybody that has used her know if she phones/posts the results quite quickly after receiving them?

Marilyn posts results out as they come back to her One of the reasons we writ our own return envelopes  supplied by her
Is it easy to get to her new premises? I have a goldie going over late Dec and will have  to book ferry 

Her new premises are fab, stunning place, my sat nav took me to her door, it is down very narrow country lanes which were fine but I wouldn't fancy driving there in the snow unless you have the vehicle for it.

I forgot that I filled in the self addressed envelope!

Got my results yesterday so not the 6 week wait!

> Do you mean the owner got the results a few weeks back and the KC were delayed putting the results online?
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Yes

Oh fingers crossed I get the results early next week then!

my friend got her results within 3 weeks!

Just checked and the cheque hasn't even been cashed yet :(

When Daisy had hers done, the vet heard after about 3 weeks and rang me, it was published on the KC site a couple of weeks later and the cheque cashed about a month after that.

Ohh, that's good to know. I've emailed the bva just asking them if they have received them and when it was estimated they would be looked at, just waiting to hear.

Just heard from the bva, they have been scored and posted back to the vets yesterday. Fingers crossed Marilyn posts them on to me quickly!

Our girl was done on 29th November and results back today. Good result too so well pleased :o)

Was yours done with Marilyn?

I'm waiting for the postie, really hope he brings me the results today!

The info pack says the results will be posted to the vet who took the x-rays.

Postie has just been... No results today :(

I'm wondering whether to give Marilyn a call and if she hasn't posted the results, get her to tell them me over the phone. The bitch he is hopefully covering has just come into season but I obviously need the results to see if he can go anywhere near her!

Yes, the bva have posted the results to Marilyn, but I haven't received them from her yet.

Give her a ring; my vet phoned the results to me when she received them, and I collected the paperwork later.

Just spoken to her, she said they have been sent to "roger the vet" and that they will hopefully be sent to her by tomorrow and to give her a ring then.

So frustrating that she couldn't tell me!

Oh Drover I feel your frustration, especially as the bitch has come into season! Want to mate our girl next season and was afraid she'd throw a curve ball and come in early!

Ours weren't done by Marilyn, our vet does them by sedation and we've had good results from him and a good price too.

Still nothing today, phoned Marilyn and she still hasn't received the results from the vet (I assumed she WAS the vet!)
Oh well, here's hoping I find out on Monday- cutting it fine to say the least.

Anybody know if the kc will tell you the results of they have them but haven't put them on the website yet?

The KC is the first to get result from BVA!
If you go and check your dogs health results on the KC site, you will see them on there fist!

Not always, they don't always update their site with the results, my bitches scores took a year to go up ( when I noticed and contacted them about it) I just wondered if the kc would tell me if I phoned up and asked.

They might receive them first but they don't update the website with any speed; my vet had forwarded me the results three weeks before they went up on the KC site.

we had our results 8weeks before the kc had put them up!...infact i rang them to find out why thay wasnt there!

Got my results- absolutely devastated. Marilyn was surprised and said they had been very harsh on the scoring, but still.. They are bad even if they scored a point or two high... 21:22 = 43 :(

:-( How disappointing. :-(

Just one of those things I guess, he come from 3 generations of very low scoring parents/gparents.

I have no knowledge of HD, what it means for his working career etc. guess I will have to do some reading!

So sorry to hear this Drover :(

OK, sticking me neck out here ... can't say that I totally am in awe of the scoring system :-O :-O

Considering how long it's been going then I'd expect greater advances. My idea is that scores are a number lottery. A hip score is just a part of the dog.

I do know someone who has a boy has a very high score, almost double of what you've got. To my mind he shouldn't be able to walk let alone compete in flyball and agility at the very highest level - and he aint no spring chicken - without any sign of lameness. I know of people who don't and wont hip score as they don't believe in it. I do 'cause I feel I ought ... not necessarily because I believe it's the best thing since sliced bread. I cannot with all honesty say that the people who I know who don't believe in the scoring system are wrong. Sorry, but I can't.

If you look at scores, you will see many pedigrees with extremely high scores producing low numbers, and vice versa.

OK, not having the greatest of evenings, I think I ought to know what breed you have and what work you're referring to, but I can't think. If it's what I think, and that would be on similar lines to me (?!!), then is your dog lame? If not, then do what you want to do, taking advice from experts, and don't worry. Oh, don't think that's made sense ... for my girl with HD I was told to continue the work we were doing (agility at the time), we did, I stopped when I felt the speed and tight cornering were going to have an adverse affect. She's 8 and she doesn't know she has HD ... neither do I most of the time. She has cartrofen injections 4 times a year and is sound as a pound :-D

> Considering how long it's been going then I'd expect greater advances.

If you look at rolling mean scores (look at the data in the KC health group reports, and also in USA OFA site) you will see that great advances have been made primarily in breeds where scores were high.

As a polygenic condition unexpectedly bad results will occur, but scores will be more reliable the more of the ancestors that are scored, with a pattern of good results.

The larger the percentage of scored animals the more reliable the mean scores are of the population as a whole, so more reliable in numerically small breeds where all god breeders score.

to add to that there is alot of people in 'some breeds' that its well known that high scores are binned and never sent for scoring.....meaning the breed looks like its improving when in reality it probably isnt, its just only the good and average scores are submitted. I agree that hips are just one aspect...yes of course important but not always a complete deciding factor IMO

but at a score as high as this it would rule them out from breeding, as it would be classed as Moderately severe HD  http://www.offa.org/hd_grades.html

In  my breed with a mean score of around 13 I would personally not breed from a dog with an evenly distributed score above 25 no matter how good in other ways.

It's probably a small solace, but having had the dog scored the Poster can ensure that the dogs exercise diet are optimised to reduce the potential effects of the poor hips, and monitoring will allow appropriate pain management should that occur.

Thanks for that, I believe he is the same breed as yours (popular medium pastoral), we compete in agility mainly. I do know of dogs competing with HD but don't know how severe theirs is. I will be booking an appointment with my vets in the new year, just to have a chat about it. He is only young (2) and has already shot up the levels, I really would like to continue competing with him but I don't want this to be detrimental to his long term comfort.

Just to add, although he won't be neutered, he will NOT be used for breeding, if his score was only slightly over then I would consider it but this is too high. Morally and ethically wrong IMO.

It might be worth talking to an ortho specialist and analyse which parts of the hip have the high scores as to the likely effects.

Keeping a dog fit and well muscled with regular exercise can help keep effects of HD at bay.

I know in Agility there are different classes some with more jumping that others (or is that only in the USA?) which may be an option if reducing certain kinds of exercise is considered wise????

I remember a specialist vet giving a talk who worked a gundog with severe HD.

You do need to see ortho specialist. My girl was diagnosed at 11 months, we were told to continue with agility and operation (at the time femoral head removal) would not be needed until the point she got when she couldn't walk! At 3 I withdrew her from agility, to be honest I could see injuries coming as you know, as you progress turns are tighter and faster. I wanted a dog who could still walk mountains at 8 rather than hobble around a garden but with lots of rosies :-)

Well, I've still got a girl that can walk many miles, no surgery. She competed very nicely in obedience.

I kept her fit and exercised, we did road walking to build her hind muscles, she did swimming (can't afford that, but if you can it's a superb treatment), but she started cartrofen injections last year. Made a big difference. A month of weekly injections then quarterly injections. Stopped all ball and frisbee games - in truth they're the only times she went lame, with the fast handbrake stops and turns. Don't think of HD as a death sentence, it doesn't have to be.

Accept you've made the decision not to breed from him, I wouldn't either, but forget the number, look at what he's able and capable of doing. As mentioned, my friend's dog by rights shouldn't be able to walk just looking at numbers!!!

That's what I was thinking, I was considering asking for a referral to fitzpatricks, he's insured, may aswell use the best!

I think that is just the US, here the main classes are agility and jumping, both of which have a lot of jumps but the agility has contact equipment.

Thank you. It's good to hear others have a healthy dog with HD. As I said I think I will ask for Fitzpatrick referral.

I do keep thinking of all the little quirks he has and whether these are actually a sign of pain instead :(

The trouble with collies is they are masters at masking pain. However if he's in pain i think you'd know it. With my girl i think the obedience really helped in that she became very rear end aware! She strengthened up as a result of it. Ask about cartrofen if you do get a referral. Success rate is apparently 50% - that's us :D Nothing nasty, no steroids.