I am posting for a friend who has decided to have a go at showing her Eurasier. She has started ringcraft but no one there has shown one and they are unsure of the type of collar/leash to use. She also is struggling to find a british book on the breed with hints on preparing the coat. Any help would be gratefully recieved.
Thanks Aileen

Surely the breeder of the dog should be able to help with it all? I know I had the same problem with Malinois when I started as nobody at ringcraft knew, but my dog's breeder told me everything I needed to know. :)

Similar coat care and leads as Samoyeds and Keeshonds.

Agree you need help from the breeder as you are not going to find many handlers around there are a few being shown in Imp Reg classes in fact they seem to be the majority of those entered at most shows who have Imp Reg for Utility breeds. There are a couple of clubs that may be able to help. They are very much like the smaller long haired spitz including those mentioned by Brainless (also remind me of the Finnish Lapphund) so if all else fails go to shows and take a look at the way they are shown. You may be able to meet a few handlers at the Nordic show so that would be worth a visit (November)

Not sure the breeder will be of help at all. My friend approached her to ask about hip and elbow scoring and was told if she wanted the endorsements lifting she would have to pay the same amount again as she paid for the dog ! My friend was aghast!
I will just add that she is more of an aquaintance who wants to do things right and have fun with her dog. She has got him to silver GC and does agility with him. (He is now 17 months old) she thought she would like to do some showing to learn the ropes with him with a view to having another in the future and getting more involved with a breed she has fallen in love with. Not knowing anything about the show scene she just assumed hip and elbow scoring should be done first as she knew his parents had been done. (She has now had him x-rayed and is waiting the results) She rang the breeder for advice who just assumed that as she was scoring him she wanted to breed ! thats when she asked for money! Needless to say she was somewhat taken aback. The breeder told her he was sold as a pet and she would have to pay if she wanted to show him!! Yup I'm as gobsmacked as you!! I can only assume that the handing over of more money will somehow make him a show winner !!**!!**
Luckily she rang me. I have promised to take her to some shows but am out of the rings at the moment waiting for my youngster to come into season. The ringcraft she is going to is good but no one has ever shown an Eurasier before so I thought I would come and pick your collective brains. She has no illusions of him being the next big winner but wants to have some fun and learn, admarable qualities!
She is upset with the breeder who she thought was doing things right and to be fair he is a lovely dog happy healthy and of good temperament.

I have seen the contract she was supplied and it says nothing about pet quality or excess costs to lift endorsenemts just that the dogs reg is endorsed so to be honest if he was nice and someone approached her for stud work I would expect the KC to overrule the breeder as she has a very wishy washy contract. However that is not the point here as at the moment she just wants to have fun showing him.

I cannot believe that someone who sold a dog for over £1,000 is now jumping in with both feet and demanding to be paid the same again to lift endorsements. (Friend never asked about that anyway) The breeder seems to be unconserned about the quality of the dog as long as she gets her dosh!

I have tucked her under my wing so to speak and suggested she finds a better breeder for her next dog !
So what do those of you who show spitz breeds use collar wise? I have told her to approach one of the big grooming suppliers for advice on shampoos etc.. and to read the standard very carefully and especially the bit on coat texture etc..
Aileen

That is such a sad story and makes me really angry. :( Most of us would be overjoyed if a puppy buyer wanted to show etc! I'd say it's definitely a good idea then to go along to a show where the breed is likely to be, have a look at what leads are used and maybe try to approach somebody else.

We in Elks use light weight chain or fabric slip collars in the ring only outside the ring half slips are used by most because the wedge shape of the head makes slipping a normal collar too easy. Think those with even longer manes may use something different but to be honest I have never really taken note. Breeds with a mane usually have a light weight collar that disappears into the coat and does not cause too much damage.

Except the very smallest spitz they are shown on the floor, free stood and moved on a lose lead although some breeds may allow the moving of feet other frown on it. Tell your friend to try to get to a Championship show where they should see Eurasier in the Imp Reg of the Utility group and they will see how the breed is handled and be able to talk to people.

She is hoping to get to LKA later in the year. So at the moment she is working on a stand...He sits as soon as a bit of bait appears due to his obedience work but she is nothing if not gentle and persistant !
They are trying to get him free standing at ringcraft.
I will tell her about the slim fabric slip lead thank you.
Aileen

I use a fabric slip it is like a woven cord - not suitable for road walking but in the ring it is good as it does not disturb the coat.

Should not be too hard to get the dog to stand tell her to try to draw the tit bit away from the dogs nose in a straight line and as he  stands say stand and reward, she should find that he will soon understand the stand command and she can then teach a walk into a stand rather than a sit - he would need that for obedience anyway as he advances so no real problem.

It will not matter when she shows him if she chooses to stand infront of him (at his head) or behind him (with him stood sideways in front of her) but I would try not to actually give the bait until the completion of what ever is being asked of him and never throw it. (what I mean is try not to feed when he is being assessed by the judge wait till after)

> My friend approached her to ask about hip and elbow scoring and was told if she wanted the endorsements lifting she would have to pay the same amount again as she paid for the dog ! My friend was aghast!
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So am I that is appalling misuse of the endorsement system.  What did it say on the statement  she signed (that the kennel club require to uphold them) to acknowledge the placement of endorsements.

This refers: http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/365
"In attempt to lessen the Kennel Club's involvement in what is essentially a private dispute, the Kennel Club will apply the following criterion when assessing whether or not an endorsement should be lifted, as per Kennel Club regulation B12. Written confirmation must be obtained from the new owner at the time of sale to state that they have been made aware of any proposed endorsements, even if the endorsed registration certificate is given at the time of sale. In the event of a dispute where such evidence exists, the Kennel Club would normally decide in favour of the vendor's endorsements being retained. Conversely, in the absence of such written evidence, the Kennel Club would normally decide in favour of the purchaser and lift the endorsement. However, this would only apply in cases where a dog is transferred from the person who placed the endorsement to a new ownership."

Also I think this may apply with such misuse:

"It should be noted that the General Committee reserves the right to remove or maintain any endorsement. There may be occasions when it is necessary to refer an endorsement dispute to the Committee."

I certainly I think such cases like this which are basically 'extortion', should be brought to their attention.

Would this Eurasier breeder be in East Anglia by any chance?

Aileen PM Liv as she will be able to help .

I used to show my Eurasier, though I certainly don't claim to be an expert. I think Jackie has given good advice. The main difference between Eurasiers and their spitz ancestors is that the breed standard says that the outer coat should be 'loosely lying' rather than 'off-standing'. Having said that, though, most people in this country tend to fluff up the coat before showing - I guess because they think it looks kind of better prepared, if you know what I mean. (I only found out when I met some German breeders that the coat is supposed to lie flat.) And judges here in the UK seem to like the fluffy look too.

Some of you may not know that Eurasiers are coming off the Import Register next year.

As for the breeder . . . I'd better not say anything. But Aileen, if your friend wants some support and sound advice there are people at the Eurasier Society UK who would be pleased to help.

Val