After watching THIS video, I have actually watched Ceaser Milam for the first time in years and YES I was horrified,. Up to now I have just believed everything the people on here ave said as I know they are alot more experieneced than me and know alot personally, but this video affected me alot ......
https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/y2/r/5l8_EVv_jyW.swf?v=4655581307021&ev=0
Lea x

yes it is absolutely shocking that he can provoke the poor dog to the point it really has no other option but to react aggressively. I do think he was very lucky that it only bit his hand. the way he was pressuring the dog with his full frontal body position I would not have been surprised if she had gone for his groin.
When will the TV company wake up to what a disservice he does to dogs.

Yes saw it yesterday and cannot for my life understand how people can defend him. I have two friends that are all for him and they are sensible, decent people that I think a lot of, yet they support CM -I don't get it.

No doubt sooner or later this slowed down version will be taken off the net as that's usually what happens when people post clips that shows what he actually does....

He is such a bully. I really can't understand how people think he's so good with dogs; he doesn't understand the first thing about canine body language.

I haven't watched it and can't watch it. I have always held the opinion that things are not quite right with him and this was verified by a friend who took part in his roadshow last year with a registered very reliable PAT dog. The dog would not go near him, she posted pictures of them on our club site and I commented, look at ***** ( the dogs) body language. She had her back to him and not a happy look on her face.
Nice to look at but not a good person.

This is the follow up video, look how scared the dogs are of him :-( That poor young pitbull who only squeaked his ball :-( :-(

What an idiot that man is. As if a dog putting its paws either side of its bowl on the floor is dominance! How else can its head reach down into its bowl otherwise? Moron!

He really is extremely stupid. Quite apart from anything else, why always take the hardest route when there are easier ones? Beats me how he isn't ashamed to be seen with dogs so scared of him. When I walk into my pack of big dogs, they are all over me jumping and wagging tails and wanting to play, which is as it should be. I let them, but they will stop if told as well, but why on earth deny them that joyful greeting and few moments of play? I can take food away from any of my dogs but I DON'T as why should I? I never taught my kids that if I give them something nice to eat, I can take it away again!

> he doesn't understand the first thing about canine body language.

I think he does, only he doesn't narrate to the audience what he is really doing, which is bulling dogs into submission. He picks out what dogs he can behave in this manner with.
I've said before about how he 'rehabilitated' a huge Boerboel, he didn't do all that macho stuff, IMO it's because he knew he could not possibly win such a blatent, 'challange' of a show-down with a dog that size and attitude. I also saw a show where he was great with a very fearfull ex-labaroty dog.
To me, the fact that I am sure he knows how to read dogs very well, only makes his behaviour worse :( :(

He is a showman, the things coming out of his mouth are used to dupe his audience, not to really explain what he is doing :( :(

I agree ML, i think he knows perfectly well what the dogs " saying" to him, but for the sake of tv viewers, ramps up the confrontation and makes himself out to be some sort of he-man to the unwary. Makes him a hundred times worse in my eyes.

This is an interesting breakdown of the clip from Jim Crosby

http://canineaggression.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/food-aggression-and-famous-trainer.html

> I agree ML, i think he knows perfectly well what the dogs " saying" to him, but for the sake of tv viewers, ramps up the confrontation and makes himself out to be some sort of he-man to the unwary. Makes him a hundred times worse in my eyes.

Strangely enough, most of the herpetologists (reptile experts) I have met both here and in the USA, say the same things about the late Steve Irwin. That he mishandled and ramped up the thrill factor for the camera at the expense of the animals. Well, an animal got him in the end... holding out some hope that CM will meet the wrong dog at the wrong time one day.

Goldmali - couple of years ago I realised an old classmate from school [school was 100 miles away] actually lived in the road next to me, and wow she also had a dog! So we caught up on a lot, it was amazing to reconnect, dogs got on etc and we went for daily walks and also socialised. Then the dogs had a spat, and she told me I should grab my boy by the neck and do an alpha roll on him, because that's what CM does [transpires she had all his videos and worshipped him]. Considering my dog was upset and wouldn't let me catch him, I can't imagine how much damage that would have done to him, if I'd even considered it. I said something along the lines of "I'll effing pin you first!" Hmmm funny, wasn't invited out for walks after that. Such a shame because it was a nothing-event dogwise, and my dog to this day would probably wee himself in glee if he ever saw his mate Harvey again :(

CM sucks all the joy out of dog ownership.... I can't understand how people don't see it... meanwhile everything that is being done in various universities worldwide to explore the dog-human bond points more and more towards my signature (below) which I treasure as a perfect quote. [Comments about bitches notwithstanding! LOL]

> I also saw a show where he was great with a very fearful ex-laboratory dog.

Yes, I saw that one too, such a shame that he can be sensible and read dogs well, but feels it better to bully them so often. :-(

The difference between Steve Irwin and Cesar though, is Steve DID do a lot of good for raising the profile and awareness of the real nature of a lot of animals that certainly in Aus, are routinely killed merely for existing. Yes his handling was showmanship and done to provoke a reaction from the animals, but these are a/ wild animals not subjected to this treatment on a daily basis and b/ have nowhere near the mental capacity for suffering that a dog would have with the same treatment.

Since his rise to fame and subsequent death, those animals, for the brief provocative handling of one or two of their number, have enjoyed much more respect and protection than they previously did - so yeah as a snake keeper I hated the way he did it, but someone had to make herps more interesting to the public, and he did.

Cesar on the other hand has made the lot of the dog population as a whole far more miserable - and he does know better, its not as if he is actually completely ignorant - he has access to all the information if he wants it, he has spent considerable time with the likes of Ian Dunbar AND other positive, science based trainers and been seriously impressed by what positive training can do, and he CHOOSES to do what he does because it makes money and keeps him where he is, no other reason.

Great post Lea!
I have 'shared' a similar clip that the APDT put up on Facebook ( amazed at how many of my educated friends rate him ... Or rather have been hoodwinked by him!)

Great comments Em!
My sentiments exactly. I find him all the more deplorable because he does know better but chooses fame and money above ethics :0(
( also glad you posted as it has reminded me I want to get one of your goooooooorgeous Whippet collars for my Mum for Christmas!)

> CM sucks all the joy out of dog ownership....

Totally agree MsTem, watching the follow up video of Holly at his centre (which was really sad) I noticed he said the don't touch, look, or talk rules he had pasted up on the pen should apply at home!
Kind of defeats the object of having a dog in my mind if all we're allowed to do is jab and hiss at them.
The video at his centre is also the weirdest thing I've ever seen and makes no sense

Watching what was going on in the background at his centre...

I would think if he starts playing with certain dogs, fussing them in a certain way etc, he is going to have fights on his hands left right and centre because his group is a/ not stable and relaxed and b/ on edge, suppressing lots of anxiety/ stress about him and each other...

So the slightest thing could and probably does, trigger a fight.

I also note there are a few dogs NOT in that main pen but shut out elsewhere- yet I thought all Cesars dogs lived in one huge happy pack in total harmony, and the pack fixes alllll problems...

No? *snigger*

The difference between Steve Irwin and Cesar though, is Steve DID do a lot of good for raising the profile and awareness of the real nature of a lot of animals that certainly in Aus, are routinely killed merely for existing.

And he donated tonnes of money and even bought land to stop it being developed. Without feeling the need to brag about it.

I would think if he starts playing with certain dogs, fussing them in a certain way etc, he is going to have fights on his hands left right and centre because his group is a/ not stable and relaxed and b/ on edge, suppressing lots of anxiety/ stress about him and each other...

Very good point. I've experienced that first hand, when I had dogs that were dodgy with each other, any excitement could trigger a fight and you had to walk on eggshells. Now <touchwood> I can play rough with lots of dogs at once and they don't fall out.