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We've had our labradinger for 5 weeks and he's just wonderful. However, he keeps jumping on the sofa and we have kept telling him off and removing him. I'm just curious as to when he will give up trying his luck! He's actually doing it more and more as the time goes on. Any tips?
By weims
Date 23.08.12 08:48 UTC

He wont stop "trying his luck", he wants to sit where you sit. He obviously isnt getting the message, you need to make it uncomfortable for him to try and jump on the sofa.
Personally I would, if I were sat on the sofa and he came flying to jump on, scream NO at him and put my hand up so he jumps into it, making it clear to him that it is not acceptable behaviour. If I came into the room and found him on the sofa I would pick him up by the scruff give him a shake and put him on floor with a very firm NO.
Picking him up and putting him on the floor saying no you shouldnt be up there please dont do it again.... wont work! You need to take firm positive action and all the family needs to do the same not just one person and someone else lets him sit on their knee "because he's only little and he's not on the sofa"
get him out of it now or this could be a problem for the rest of his life and crossbreeds/mongrels can live long a long time!
By Daisy
Date 23.08.12 09:27 UTC
Put a lead on him, make hm lie down next to the sofa and put your foot on the lead. Give lots of praise whle he is lying quietly. Don't let him in the room if noone is there to supervise him :)
By Nova
Date 23.08.12 09:56 UTC

What is a labradinger? Understand it is a cross breed no doubt a Labrador but what in a dinger?
I suspect it is a labrador/springer spaniel also thought the nickname was springerdor.
I not comfortable with advice to "pick him up by the scruff give him a shake". Apart from the fact that it's wrong on so many levels it also isn't necessary
Agree your house rules: will you ever let him on the furniture or is this a complete and utter no? Whatever you decide dictates how you teach him. However, do get a baby gate up at the doorway and never let him in that room unless you are there to supervise/teach him what's required.
I've always taught mine up and off for furniture. It's very handy in all sorts of situations not least when I want them to get up onto the stool for grooming/checking etc. If you are consistent, use praise and rewards, and teach this just as you do for sit, wait, stay etc your dog will soon get the hang of it. If you've taken your eye off your pup and you find him where he isn't supposed to be just call him off or away (it's your fault not his). If he's persistent pop his lead on and take him through the steps a few times again. If your sofa is a bit high and you are worried about him jumping put a cushion on the floor to lessen the drop.
Some of our dogs were taught never to go on furniture others that only some furniture is allowed, or not until the cover is on. It's simple to teach and you just need to break it down into sections and make an effort to ensure he can't get it wrong (a firm NO and re direct if he attempts to get up without being invited)
One of my dogs, when resisting an instruction used to be a 3 times puppy: 1st ask "Sorry can't hear you" 2nd ask "Ooh do you mean me?" 3rd ask "Oh all right ...if it means that much to you!" It doesn't mean he was naughty - it simply means he's learning what I want and processing the instruction. They're babies and it just takes a bit of time, gradually they get faster and faster, then maybe regress a bit, then get back on track. Bear with him and if you ever get a bit frustrated do ask yourself if you are being consistent and giving clear instructions
Personally I would, if I were sat on the sofa and he came flying to jump on, scream NO at him and put my hand up so he jumps into it, making it clear to him that it is not acceptable behaviour. If I came into the room and found him on the sofa I would pick him up by the scruff give him a shake and put him on floor with a very firm NO.Please, please do NOT take this advice! Surely we all want our pups to grow into happy, well adjusted dogs, not dogs that FEAR us because they have been treated harshly?! This type of "training" went out the window in the stoneage, alongside chokechains and rubbing puppies' noses in their own puddles to housetrain them.
Pup being pushed off but coming back simply means the puppy sees it as a game -a LOT of dogs are ten times more likely to come back if pushed away. Get puppy onto floor (quietly and gently) and reward with a treat. It's a process of repeat and repeat. Lift puppy off furniture, reward when on floor. He won't understand he isn't allowed there, so he needs to be taught it -and that includes not being left alone to get a chance to get up there when unsupervised.
Personally though I prefer as many dogs as possible on my sofas. :) But I do have leather so muddy pawprints wipe clean.

I always found that leaving something on the sofa like a broom is usually good enough to stop them from jumping on if you're not around.
To be honest, we've slacked somewhat with this one and my dogs can be seen lined up chins on the back of the sofa watching the world go by lol! Perhaps we shouldn't let them, but when we need to sit down, they'll give up their spot without any moaning!
Ah well, the sofa is leather.
Whatever you do, don't yell or scruff the pup, not necessary.
If it is your only dog then try sitting on the floor with it for a while so it gets the message that that is the good place to be once it understands that the floor is the right place then you can introduce getting on the sofa - if that is what you want - on your terms
If it is not your only dog and the others are allowed on the furniture then you are sunk :D
Yes he is a Labrador crossed springer which are nicknamed either labradinger or springador.
By JeanSW
Date 23.08.12 20:45 UTC
>If I came into the room and found him on the sofa I would pick him up by the scruff give him a shake and put him on floor with a very firm NO.
I cannot believe in this day and age that anyone could recommend actions that came out of the dark ages.
To the OP - please, please, please totally ignore this advice. It is certainly not advice that you would get from any reputable trainer.
dogs a babe has given excellent recommendations, that are more in line with an enlightened canine society!
There is no need to rule any dog by scaring it. My dogs do as I ask because they want to please me. It's as it should be. :-)
One of our bitches chances her arm now and again.We simply put something on top of it to discourage her from doing so.Flat ironing board works for us.
By weims
Date 25.08.12 20:06 UTC

None of my dogs are "scared" of me "wary" of me or indeed anything else...
Dogs, just like kids, need to know the rules. The reason why kids have no respect for anyone or anything these days is "soft parenting"
Dogs are going the same way! They have no rules, boundaries and are allowed to do what they like with no consequences.
My dogs are very well behaved and for the record so are my kids! I dont have loudmouthed foulmouthed drunken drug taking kids! r
dogs that are a nuisence to other people.
I stand by my post, it works and works quickly!
>The reason why kids have no respect for anyone or anything these days is "soft parenting"
I'm sure we all want to go back to the days of learning your times tables by having your knuckles rapped with the edge of a ruler every time you made a mistake. Yes, you learned them, but it gave you a lifelong hatred of numbers.
By weims
Date 25.08.12 20:37 UTC

I never had my knuckles rapped by anyone, corporal punishment had been abolished FYI
I still had respect for people property possessions etc.
Yes I learnt my tables and NO I DEFINATELY DO NOT HATE NUMBERS!
If I was told off by a teacher I didnt dare tell my parents...unlike today when the kids tell the parents that teacher shouted at them and parent go to school and physically and mentally abuse the teachers..... for telling off their sprog who was misbehaving in class...... errmm.... its a no brainer!
> corporal punishment had been abolished
It has no place in puppy training either...
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By weims
Date 25.08.12 20:47 UTC

who said it has?? NOT ME
Shouting a sharp NO at a puppy or child is NOT corporal punishment!
Picking a puppy up by the scruff is NOT corporal punishment!
Picking a puppy up by the head/body/backleg or any other body part is NOT corporal punishment!
By tooolz
Date 25.08.12 20:47 UTC
>unlike today when the kids tell the parents that teacher shouted at them and parent go to school and physically and mentally abuse the teachers
A huge number of abusive people, children and adults alike....were treated abusively. When these parents come up to school, its very clear what angry aggressive people they are.
Bullies are often bullied at home.
When intelligent adults resort to hitting, theyve pretty much lost their credibility I feel.
Weims - your post:
"you need to make it uncomfortable for him to try and jump on the sofa.
Personally I would, if I were sat on the sofa and he came flying to jump on, scream NO at him and put my hand up so he jumps into it, making it clear to him that it is not acceptable behaviour. If I came into the room and found him on the sofa I would pick him up by the scruff give him a shake and put him on floor with a very firm NO"
Corporal punishment may be defined as follows: "any punishment in which physical force is used and intended to cause some degree of pain or discomfort, however light."
To the OP there are other, and more effective, ways of teaching a puppy what behaviour is required :)
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By weims
Date 25.08.12 21:03 UTC

I agree tooolz but as they know what its like to be abused/bullied you would think they would want different for their kids.
I always want more for my kids than I have ever had and always will, I was abused as a kid and wouldnt dream of abusing my kids
or anyone else for that matter.... if my kids came home and said they had been told off by the teacher I said they should have behaved
themselves. I wouldnt have dreamt of going to school and shouting and abusing teachers.
BUT we are talking about parental responsibility to bring up kids to know right from wrong, truth from lies and whats acceptable behaviour and whats
not. I have shouted NO at my kids when they were doing something that I didnt approve of or was dangerous!
PS: My "kids" are now 25 and 20 and dont drink take drugs and both still live at home because they want to!!!
>Picking a puppy up by the scruff is NOT corporal punishment!
>Picking a puppy up by the head/body/backleg or any other body part is NOT corporal punishment!
'Corporal punishment' is anything that is physically ('corporal' means to do with the physical body) unpleasant.
By weims
Date 25.08.12 21:19 UTC

Have you never seen a bitch with puppies?? Obviously not
Have you never seen a bitch chastise her puppies when they are doing something she doesn't like? Obviously not
Have you never seen a bitch pick her puppies up? Obviously not
By Jeangenie
Date 25.08.12 22:02 UTC
Edited 25.08.12 22:10 UTC
>Have you never seen a bitch with puppies?? Obviously not
Yes, several times.
>Have you never seen a bitch chastise her puppies when they are doing something she doesn't like? Obviously not
Yes, and they never scruff the puppies or shout at them. Holding the muzzle or head still is all that's required.
>Have you never seen a bitch pick her puppies up? Obviously not
No, you're right. They never have need to because they're cntent and secure with where they are.
By JeanSW
Date 25.08.12 22:21 UTC
>Picking a puppy up by the head/body/backleg or any other body part is NOT corporal punishment!
By the head/backleg??? No, I agree.
That would be termed as
CRUELTY.
By Nova
Date 26.08.12 06:28 UTC

Wild animals do move their young by the back of the neck but only when very young and they do not shake nor is it not a punishment. Scuffing and shaking a dog may make the owner feel they have taught something but that something may well be fear of the owner, I would not risk it when it is easy to use another method.
By weims
Date 26.08.12 08:40 UTC

ROFLOL - JOKE!!!!
By Nova
Date 26.08.12 10:34 UTC
ROFLOL - JOKE!!!! Perhaps you would like to share it or do you mean your original post was a joke and we have all misunderstood. :-)
> ROFLOL - JOKE!!!!
Nope - nothing funny about shaking puppies, and nothing funny about attempting to turn the OP's original query into a debate simply to entertain yourself
I'd guess you didn't like the feedback weims...
By weims
Date 26.08.12 19:39 UTC

OMG - unbelievable
ROFLOL JOKE ------- because I cant believe that in this day and age no one is allowed to have a different opinion. Its hilarious!
People get soooo wound up because something I believe in works
dogs a babe -- get over yourself and dont even try to imagine what I meant or didnt mean to do! Dont ever put "words into my mouth" so to speak!
I have no problem with feedback, but free speech in this country is LEGAL so dont diss me for having a different opinion, by all means express your
own but accept that I have my opinion too!
I've had my say, and I still believe I'm right, you've had your say.......Now build a bridge and get over it!!!
By tooolz
Date 26.08.12 19:46 UTC
We are are all entitled to our opinions, thats the good thing about this forum.
But you were advising someone else to use methods which have been de-bunked and are largely discredited by most dog trainers.
By Nova
Date 26.08.12 20:20 UTC

If we are all allowed our opinions why are you so rude to those who disagree with you. If my opinion is a joke yours and your attitude certainly is not and that's an opinion I am entitled to.
Thank you all for your posts. I shall be trying some of the suggestions. However, I won't try the scruff of the neck one down to my personal choice. We are all entitled to our own opinions on how to do things and I respect that, so thanks to everyone for their suggestions once again and have a good day folks.
By inka
Date 27.08.12 09:32 UTC
Houseline on pup, decision made 100% on whether pup is allowed on sofa, remove pup with aid of houseline and treat when she gets up, eventually add a cue ''off'' or ''down'', huge amount of praise and a comfy doggy bed by the sofa. :)
By Nova
Date 27.08.12 11:27 UTC

Don't want to add a note of caution but house line means collar + line and a collar + line where there are other dogs is open to the accidental trapping of feet legs and teeth so use with caution. Never forgotten when one of my adults and a pup became tethered together, because the pup was screaming the adult became distressed and when I tried to help snapped at me lucky it was a fabric collar & line so I could cut with scissors but they were both very distressed and wary with each other which was such a shame as they had been real buddies.
By inka
Date 27.08.12 11:30 UTC
I think the OP has only the one dog but I may be wrong. :)
By Nova
Date 27.08.12 12:05 UTC

Sorry Inka was talking to you, thought you were speaking for yourself. Still a timely warning as no one wants an injury when all they were trying was to control a pup.
By inka
Date 27.08.12 12:07 UTC
No worries, our sofas are a human free zone - for hounds only anyway ;)
By Nova
Date 27.08.12 12:14 UTC

Now mine are not allowed but only because they can't sit or lay without digging a hole to do it in and it matters not one jot to them if it is the tiled floor or the squigy leather sofa so the sofa is not allowed. You are OK with yours because jumping is not required I bet even the pup can step on and off.
By inka
Date 27.08.12 12:26 UTC
exactly, they stroll on to it and then just drape themselves across.... very cute :)
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