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- By Brainless [gb] Date 09.08.12 07:33 UTC Edited 09.08.12 07:46 UTC

> There is a standard paragraph which just states that the endorsements have been placed permanently for the life of the dog.  It is sold as a pet and is not to be bred from or exported.


Then I am afraid the breeder is within their rights, but to my mind as a breeder rather short sighted if the bitch is of quality enough to gain her stud book number then her genes might be of value to the breed (a lot depends on how numerically strong the breed is).

I would have thought the breeder would like to see good examples of their breeding go on to make a contribution, (but not feel entitled to have such a tight grip on things) as few of us can keep every good puppy we breed (or often find we have let go better than we kept).

Mentoring a fledgling new breeders is a big responsibility and can be quite a lot of work, but ultimately what breeding is all about passing on the baton of breed custodianship to others, as my mentors have tried to do for me.

I am assuming the bitch is young?  If so I would in writing explain that you are happy to do any required health tests, and for the first litter use a stud from a shortlist they recommend, but wish to breed the litter in your own name and not be so restricted as their suggestion would entail, and that you would like the litter bred in your own name as you will be taking full responsibility for the puppies produced, both costs and morally, and agree to appropriately fully endorse any puppies bred. 

If they agree IN WRITING then go ahead and get the health tests done and continue to show your bitch to further good results.  Having the agreement to lift endorsements on health testing results (make sure the agreement stipulates what are acceptable results for example hips/elbows/hearts below a certain score, eyes clear or DNA clear or Carrier).

I could understand a breeder not being willing to lift endorsements on a DNA tested carrier, as ti takes knowledge to breed from them so as not to inadvertently produce affected offspring.  This is the only scenario where a breeder in my view would be justified to want to do as your breeder wishes to, and keep full control.

Unless you get an agreement as above from them I would continue to show my girl and look out for a planned litter that you would like a puppy from with fewer strings (perhaps by the sire of your bitch or similar liens), and make it quite clear you are doing so, you never know in another six months or a year the breeder may be willing to be more reasonable..
- By Goldmali Date 09.08.12 07:44 UTC
I knew there were endorsements and   I filled in a questionnaire which asked if I intended to breed and the answer was No, but now I have her and see how lovely she is, I think that her pups would be beautiful too and I of course, would want one of them.

To me it sounds like the breeders are playing safe -how well do you know them? You stated you did not want to breed, you have no kennel name so you presumably have not bred before, and therefore they want to be extra careful as you lack the experience. Clearly you have a good bitch if she has her stud book number, but I'd guess the breeders just feel they need to play safe if they don't know you well enough etc.

Legally, ownership of a dog does NOT change simply because the registered owner changes. The person with all the legal rights is the one who has the dog in their physical possession, can prove they have had it with them all the time, have vet records for it etc. So you won't lose your dog if she stays with you.  If I was you I'd ask them why they won't go for loan of bitch.
- By klb [gb] Date 09.08.12 08:42 UTC
No I couldn't,t find it on the web site either but this is a PDF copy of the form http://www.sportinggundogs.com/regloanofbitch1.pdf
- By Rhodach [gb] Date 09.08.12 10:47 UTC
Thanks

I was curious as to what this entailed
- By Alysce [gb] Date 09.08.12 11:31 UTC
I used a KC Loan of Bitch agreement (with other clauses added) when my girl went back to her breeder to have her first litter in 2010.  I had the same problem tracking the form down then and the ladies at the KC office told me that it had been pulled from the site for updating?!  They're taking their time over it! :-)
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