Just been watching a program on BBC One called 'Food Factory' which is all about how mass-produced food is made.

They had a section about how dog food is made (I believe it was James Well beloved) I was very shocked to see that the 'meat' used in the foods was actually a dried powder!

It is really interesting, although quite short and not very detailed, to be able to see it with your own eyes. Makes me glad that I raw feed.

Will look out for this on iplayer thanks +++

Here is the link to the episode on iPlayer, but it is not yet live!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b01l58j0/

They once did one on meat going to the raw dog food trade and I would never give this to my dogs if they have raw it has to be from the butcher.

They once did one on meat going to the raw dog food trade and I would never give this to my dogs if they have raw it has to be from the butcher.
That would be really interesting to see, any idea what it was called?

> Just been watching a program on BBC One called 'Food Factory' which is all about how mass-produced food is made.
>
>

Jimmy Doherty(Jimmys Farm) did this last time...very interesting, he did how cornflakes are made amoungst others.

That would be really interesting to see, any idea what it was called?

Sorry no, it was only shown because they were taking the treated meat and putting it back into the human food chain, it was to do with that more than the dog food manufacture but the sight of the rotting meat being thrown into vats of chemicals put me off for life. 

>They had a section about how dog food is made (I believe it was James Well beloved) I was very shocked to see that the 'meat' used in the foods was actually a dried powder!

Dehydration is a well-known and very safe method of preserving food till it's needed. I personally was very impressed, and was very glad that they emphasised that the meat was from carcases that had been passed as 'fit for human consumption' - one reason why I only buy pet food manufactured in the UK. None of this 'four Ds' nonsense to worry about.

Dehydration is a well-known and very safe method of preserving food till it's needed. I personally was very impressed, and was very glad that they emphasised that the meat was from carcases that had been passed as 'fit for human consumption' - one reason why I only buy pet food manufactured in the UK. None of this 'four Ds' nonsense to worry about.

I wasn't worried about safety, I just find it quite unnatural and a bit alien. It is funny though as I don't put half as much thought into what I eat compared to what I put into Nando's food.

I watched this and what shocked me was the amount of rice!

Oh yes, don't get me started on the rice! I didn't like to comment as it wasn't 100% clear at how much of that rice goes into one bag of food compared to the meat? Judging by the amount of 'meat' that was in that bag.. I don't think it is very much.

Yes it was Crown Pet Foods who make JWB - they are owned by Royal Canin!

I was interested in the Stool Comparison Chart they mentioned (the equivalent in human terms is the Bristol Chart which I am sure most nurses will be well acquainted with) so I have Googled (ain't I sad!!!!) and found a Purina one -
Fecal Scoring Chart

If you're sad, then join the club because I did the exact same thing as soon as I saw it! LOL

Looking at the website, picking one food at random -Lamb & Rice adult, it is 26 % lamb, 26 % rice but then also 14% barley so a LOT of cereal all told.

ok so I have looked at the scoring chart and decided what I pick up most days but which is ideal ?
The more I see these programmes the more worried and concerned I get lol If I took them all seriously both human and animal I think I would give up altogether 

> but which is ideal

No idea, but have heard that it should be firm & 'kickable' from other raw feeders. Perhaps the kibble manufacturers have a different idea. My dog's poo seems to be between 1 and 2... not as bullet as 1 and certainly doesn't cause him to strain. But not as loggy as 2. And if he has blended veg it is more like 3.

OK... I have just decided that looking at a kibble manufacturers chart is of no use really, we need a raw feeder's chart. What comes out is governed by what goes in, so a kibble chart isn't going to be our best guide is it? ;)

Agreed mt my dogs poo is  Also 1+r2 which I see as desirable and we are all very happy with raw :) was just interested . I don't really feel I need a chat to tell my dogs are fit and healthy but yes I agree as raw is so different the info needs to be specific to raw if its available

I feed kibble and scraps and my dogs stools are dry and kick-able but they are different standards of kick-able depending on what dog laid them. This fact does seem to cause a consideration of how much use these studies are, the food may be one factor but the dogs plays a big part in the consistency of the stools produced.

Certainly with you there Nova, what suits one dog doesn't have to suit another. I have one that cannot tolerate anything but raw meat, several that can eat absolutely any old rubbish without ill effect, some in between etc.

We feed Orijen.  I would feed raw if the freezer were big enough...  I supplement with raw eggs, fish and yoghurt & fish oil capsules.