My girl is on day 63 gestatation . She has lost her mucus plug, has a clear mucus discharge, her temp is all over the place. She has been going on and off food as well as throwing up and loose stools. Most of this started day 61, she sleeps a lot and is very clingy but seems perfectly happy . X-rays were done at day 54, at that point there were 2 pups. I checked last night and they are still moving. At what point should I be concerned ? That she is going to be " past due"?

If this is a toy breed then I would say she may have inertia and needs a C section.  If a larger breed with small litter ditto.

She is a toy breed. She's Awake and seems uncomfortable , temp 98.8 . I can feel the pups moving. I'm calling her Dr when they open at 8 ( eastern time) to see what he says. I spoke to him when we did the. X-rays on the 30th about a c-section and he said he thinks she should be able to whelp naturally . I'm still going to call because I'm concerned about how long she has seemed to be in and out of stage 1 . Who knows maybe she will whelp before then.

I would say this is an emergency rather than waiting for the vets to open.

The bitch and the puppies could be in immediate danger and waiting for them to open could result in loosing the puppies and potentially the bitch .

yes i agree sounds like she needs a c section asap

I don't wait until this late with my breed.  However, presented with very similar a couple of years ago, it turned out that the bitch had 2 pups jammed side by side in the same uterine horn.  No contractions were ever going to work. 

So, vet - now!  And please let us know the outcome.  :-)

I understand the concern. One thing you have to understand . The time difference, my vet opens in 20 min. The issue with the ER vet isn't the $, it's trust. I trust my vet , and since I can feel both pups ( in opposite sides) she does not appear to be in any distress . I think a 20 min difference isn't going to make a huge difference . ( plus the ER vet is 30 min away, my vet is only 10) so with that being said , I would be able to actually be able to get into see my vet before I would be able to be seen by the ER vet. She is at day 64 from the first mating . I'm wondering if maybe it was the second mating that she conceived . That would put her at 62 days? Anyway all questions will be answered in 15 min.

I think trust is an important factor, and you are only talking 15 minutes wait after all. However, be aware many vets have virtually no knowledge about whelping. You need to insist on an x-ray to make sure there isn't a puppy blocking things from starting. If you have an experienced (and forceful) friend, take them with you, I know it's hard to try and overrule the vet!

We will be going to the vet in 30 min, I just spoke with them. I will let everyone know, thanks!

He's pretty good at listening to what I want. It's an older country office. Usually if I ask for an X-ray they will just give me one. I Love this office. They also take care of the animal first and worry about payment later( I have never taken advantage of that) but it tells me that the care of the animals are put above the profit

plz let us know whats happening ,ive got everything crossed for the babies x

No news yet?

We just got back, he monitored her all day tried calcium nothing . Pups in line but she is only dilating half way . He gave her a shot of oxytocin and sent me home with another shot. I am not sure if it's better than a c section but her labor had started. So here we go!

Any news after your visit to the vets?

She has inertia , first shot of oxytocin given . We are waiting to see if she needs the second. Our vet had her all day trying everything to get contractions to start up again . They wouldnt so he decided this was next

looks like you will be going back for c-section soon then ,when our girl had a shot she had her pup within 5mins ....u cant leave her long now and if it was me id want live pups and would of all ready had them giving her a section. what time is it where you are now?

>Pups in line but she is only dilating half way

   

He gave her oxytocin when she isn't fully dilated?

I would have had a bloody seizure if anyone had even suggested that for one of my bitches.

Primary inertia is usually treated with a c/section as for various reasons the uterus does not start to contract or the contractions are not adequate enough to allow the pups to be born. If the vet hasn't got her into labour after having her all day then it doesn't seem promising that she is going to whelp naturally.

I was lead to believe that oxytocin should not be given till at least one pup has been delivered. No vet here would send us home with oxytocin

She seems to be 4 hours behind us judging from what time she posted and the vet opening at 8am

My regular vet in the practice was out delivering a horse ( go figure) . It's 6:24 here now, I'm not sure what to do or think now

>I'm not sure what to do or think now

Think C-section.

I called them back and thy said to give the second d shot ( .2) I have not as of yet. They said I could schedule an emergency C section in the am or go to the emergency vet? So do I just wait and not give her the shot ? She seems up and lively .

I'm not a vet.  But, as a breeder, I would not give oxytocin willy nilly.  As has already been mentioned, it is normally given after a bitch is fully dilated.  Often, having had one pup, and no further contractions, it is given to restart the contractions.

I am reluctant to say what your decision should be, but it is fair to point out that most vets are not breeders.  So their experience of whelping is only limited to sections, not labour.

I can only say that, if they had your bitch all day, only to hand her back with you taking responsibility for another jab, I would not personally be happy.  If your bitch is happy, then it is for you to judge.  I know what my call would be, but I know my own bitches.

I would not be happy, given that this is a toy breed.  So very different to letting a large breed go over.

Oh after talking with you guys I'm not giving the second dose. Both pups are still moving. I'm hoping the .2 didn't do much. She's a Toy, but because of her being a small terrier she is about 7 pounds before she was pregnant .

Ok so not as tiny as my toy breed, and possibly an easier to whelp breed.  Please do get to an emergency vet if her eyes start to look all glazed and pained.

Naw, when I looked them up I was surprised they were labeled " toys" they can go up to 10 pounds. She is running around tail waggin like it was 2 weeks ago. The vet said the pups are lined up one behind the other. So they aren't coming together. Both pups are still moving good. I gave her a little vanilla ice cream because of her lack of food intake . She then ate an entire plate full of her dig food. So your guess is so much better than mine. My Step daughter is here so she can take turns stating up. But your guess is better than mine. My labs are both spayed , these are my step daughters dogs . I have whelped a litter before , many years ago. But the were beagles and working dogs.

I forgot to mention that the vet wanted to keep her after he gave the oxytocin , to do the second dose. Because he wasn't my reg vet, I felt I could read her better . I wouldn't leave her. Plus I didn't want to end up with 2 dead pups, and a dead mom with everyone saying .... Ugh we don't know what went wrong

thats the problem it can go wrong all of a suden :( and id be demanding a c-secion her by now! your the 1 paying the bill! right?!.

I expected to read that she had the pups by now either naturally or by c/section.

She's running around waggin her tail like nothing's wrong !? Pups are still moving like crazy . Someone tell me what to do? Im not a breeder or a vet, when i got her she was just out of heat and tied . I took her in because my step daughter could not keep her .I stayed up all night watching her sleep. I'm taking her back in but I'm very concerned . My regular guy isn't in today, the vet I spoke with wants me to drop her off to see if they can get her GOING !!!??? If not then they will do a C-Section .

Personally I would not be messing about with any more injections and go for the c/section, I can't understand why the vet is dilly dallying over this decision.

Pups will continue to move till they die, the placentas are only meant to last a certain length of time and they either deteriorate or seperate from the uterine wall cutting off oxygen to the pups.

I would ask for a senior vet and voice your concerns to them

Ok, I'm counting to 10......, I called my house ( mind you my step daughter is 25) was asleep!!!! I had to be at work @ 7, I have been off with Bella since Thursday. I was only working 4 hours. Anyway I called the vet and told them to do the C- Section when she walks in the door and SPAY her. I then called the house and told her to take the dog now! Thanks for your help!, I will keep you posted and let you know the out come. I really don't know what would have happened without this site. The people in the states seem so negative and not interested in helping, just criticizing .

I look forward to hearing that Mum and pups are in good health.

Not all forums are like this one

Thanks! I am so glad I found it, I don't know if Bella would have gotten the care she needed . The daughter seems little unhappy, my husband seems the same . But ya know I really don't care, I pay the vet bills so I get to make that decision ! Just so ya know, Bella is at the vets right now.

We are all rooting for you Yuna.  Hoping mum and pups are fine.  Do let us know (when you have a minute) that all is well your end.

yes we are yuna....ive got everything crossed too x

Picking up Bella and her 2 healthy pups! 1 boy & 1 girl , I had them spay Bella while they did the section . From the bottom of my heart , I thank each of you. I know a good bit about animals but I'm not a breeder. If everyone on here was not screaming C- Section I would have taken the vets, husband, and step daughters advice and waited. God Bless each of you !

Thats brilliant news :) :) :)
And well done you for heading the advice of the knowledgable people that have been there again and again xx
Enjoy the pups :)
Lea :)

Congratulations on a happy outcome!

Happy outcome but a cautionary warning to anybody considering breeding it is not a stroll in the park by any stretch of the imagination and can cause heart ache and a big dent in your finances. Lucky your little girl is fine but it could have been a worse outcome. Research , research is the key before considering breeding. Hope mum and pups continue to do well :-)

Congrats on the new arrivals, here's hoping it is plain sailing from now on.

Watch Mum very carefully as she may be groggy from the anaesthetic for 24hrs and won't know where these pups have come from,don't leave her alone with the pups for even a second.

I was so worried all along, but didn't want to throw you into a panic.  But the outcome could have been a lost bitch, never mind litter.  I do hope that your girl goes from strength to strength now.

Any questions, do come back.  :-)  Now the hard work starts.  Don't leave her, and watch that pups don't get lost round the back of her, listen out for them squeaking during the night too.

Welcome to zombie world, where your hair starts to go grey and you look dishevelled, as you are too busy seeing to mum and pups!  :-)  :-)  :-)

so pleased and thank god :) xx

Thanks for all the help and advice. My girl is already up and movin, and feeding the pups. She just came out to eat , and is getting a break now. I am very blessed to have met such a wonderful group of people. My regular vet may not have been in, they stalled out the C - Section but in the end everyone is doing well . Bella is spayed now , so no more surprises . He did everything and sent her home with antibiotics and pain meds . Total bill was $381 , not sure maybe he felt bad? I'm not sure how to upload pictures but I would love to. Also I'm not a big fan of pain meds, how long should I keep her on them?

hi again yuna :) most of us feed mum in her bed while shes with her babies once she is fully around and bonds with them she not want to leave them :) even can be hard for the 1st week or so to get them out to toilet her ..ive had to hand feed mine for about 2 weeks lol alot of breeders here do. its lovely to read shes feeding them after a c-section some girls dont know whats happend to them and make sure mum is licking them so they can wee and poo as they cant do it them selfs yet ....but im thinking you have breed before? so you will know this but just incase :) all the best and fingers crossed its plain sailing from here ...when our girl had 9 pups and then em spay 2days later :( she was given pain killers for as long as your vet has said? and AB's shes was fine but her milk sufferd abit but she went thru so much im not sure if it was all the stress we nearlt lost her, do you have milk for pups and bottle just incase ( but im sure she will be fine ) she will need the pain killers she will be in alot of pain xx

> She just came out to eat , and is getting a break now.

You should encourage her to stay with the pups and feed her in the whelping box.  Normally a bitch has to be forced out to pee for the first three days which they pretty much spend full time suckling the pups to bring the milk in.

she may be a bit confused and it is best if someone sits with her to keep her company and build that maternal bond if she is conflicted with her attachment to you/her human family.

My Mum's Dachsie only needed the pain meds the day of surgery and was fine the next day,hopefully they wont pass through her milk and make the pups drowsy.

That was a very cheap c/section, here you would pay £500 to £1000 depending on time of day.

Nope, I have never actually bred before. This was a " hey can you keep my dogs?, " then 2 weeks later I found out that they had tied. I had a beagle that had a litter for our farm but I was 16 and now I'm 42. So any and all advice is appreciated . :@) thanks!

I thought of that, her food is right out side the box. I'll put the food inside. She is feeding them but I didn't notice any licking going on. This last time they had to lay her down for them to nurse. How will I know if they acre " handling their bussiness "?

Mum licking their tail end will stimulate them to wee and poo,you may have to smear them with something tasty to get her started, some bitches just refuse to do this and you need to it with cotton wool and warm water.

Mum licking their tail end will stimulate them to wee and poo,you may have to smear them with something tasty to get her started, some bitches just refuse to do this and you need to it with cotton wool and warm water.