I have qualified for crufts and have just found out my breeder will be judging our breed, is it still ok to enter??

Sorry, no -this means you cannot enter.

oh no :( my first year showing, just my luck,thanks for the advice.i was tring to find the rules etc. but wasnt sure where to look. is there arule book printed somewhere so i can look in future (always making mistakes) thanks again

Yes you can order it from the KC:
http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/asp/shop/fullDisplay.asp?item=Regulations+booklet+%28Show%29&dept=publications

Great shame it's your first time qualifying, what bad luck! :(

Seems a shame you can't get a 'bye' to the next year when something like that happens.....

what does a bye mean?? :)

Bye means automatically go through to the next round but this does not happen.
It is unfortunate but you arent the first & wont be the last this happens to. Be proud that you have qualified, it is not always easy to do.

>what does a bye mean??

Sorry, been watching too much tennis! :-D No, you don't get one, but I think it's a shame!

Just an add on to the question:  if you didn't know that you cannot show under your breeder, and completed an entry form anyway, would your entry be rejected or is there a chance it might go through in error?

I'm just thinking that it would really add insult to injury if you accidentally 'paid' for your mistake!!

On the flip side: when there is a last minute change of judge from someone else to your breeder, do they give you a refund?

> On the flip side: when there is a last minute change of judge from someone else to your breeder, do they give you a refund?

Could be wrong but I thought you could show under them if it was a last minute change, that said I'd rather loose my entry fee than take my dog under his breeder, it's just wrong in my opinion

If there is a last minute change of judge, you can actually show under the breeder as you 'technically' didnt enter under them, you entered under the scheduled judge or some societies will refund.

>Could be wrong but I thought you could show under them if it was a last minute change, that said I'd rather loose my entry fee than take my dog under his breeder, it's just wrong in my opinion

This happened in our breed at Crufts 2 years ago. If it had happened to me I could not in all conscience have put my breeder under the pressure of having to judge one of their own breeding.....but you'd be amazed that people actually did do it!!!!!

but you'd be amazed that people actually did do it!!!!!

Seems totally pointless to me. If they won, people would say it was because the judge was the dog's breeder. If they lost, people would say it was because the judge, as the breeder, didn't dare put up their own breeding even though it was the best. So can't do right either way!

I personally wouldnt do it, either way it would be wrong, dammed if you do or dont.

In these circumstance some societies will refund

Personally I find this all very interesting. I often wonder though why we can't show under our breeder but quite happily show under the sire's owner?

The sire might never have seen the dog's offspring, or know who they are or who owns them.

Would you also have the option of receiving a refund though? Also, does the judge have the right to excuse a dog due to conflict of interest?

Also, does the judge have the right to excuse a dog due to conflict of interest?

The judge shouldn't know who the dogs are. They may well recognise the handler, but cannot be 100 % certain who the dog is until after the judging when they can see a catalogue, so no, they wouldn't be able to do this.

Plenty of breeders stay in touch with their dogs' owners as the dog is growing up and see the dogs enough to be able to recognise them without needing to see a catalogue. In my breed, many of the breeders hold puppies up to 6 months to ensure things like the bite turn out, and would certainly know who the dog was in the ring.

> would certainly know who the dog was in the ring.

I would have to agree, that you really ought to recognise a dog you bred, I know I would but perhaps its easier in some breeds than others??

In my breed, many of the breeders hold puppies up to 6 months to ensure things like the bite turn out, and would certainly know who the dog was in the ring.

Yes but my point was no judge is MEANT to know the identity of the dog in front of them, so cannot possibly turn round and say they won't judge one dog as they know who it is. (They could be wrong as well. I even have dogs of my own where I have to look twice to see who it is, and when visiting my friend who has several that I have bred again I have to look both two and three times to be able to tell them apart.)