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By floJO
Date 11.06.12 17:07 UTC
The most shocking thing I've seen for a long time.
What's baffling is that surely the handler must have known that his dog had issues around others as it probably lunged at any it passed. So, in a public place, why on earth did he put the lead on the floor and put this dog in a position where should the opportunity arise his dog would attack.
why on earth did he put the lead on the floor
Looks like he wanted to roll a cigi.

This is a pretty old story.
By Jeff (Moderator)
Date 11.06.12 17:46 UTC
That particular footage is quite old, as Brainless says, but I believe these particular figures have only just been released.
Jeff.
By rabid
Date 11.06.12 18:12 UTC
Thing is, Guide Dogs are out and about in public a LOT - that's their job. And whereas sighted dog owners would cross the road or avoid any dodgy-looking dogs off lead, a blind person can't take dog avoidant action around other dogs.
Perhaps the guide dogs themselves should be taught to avoid other dogs when working. I don't know....

They're taught to ignore other dogs - avoiding them would put their blind handler at risk.
By floJO
Date 11.06.12 18:41 UTC
Perhaps the guide dogs themselves should be taught to avoid other dogs when working. I don't know....
I don't think that would have helped at all in this case as the aggressor clearly ran at, caught hold of and refused to let go of the Guide Dog. Given that the Guide dog was on a harness working it was impossible to 'avoid' this onslaught.
I can't see how the responsibility to avoid these type of situations can be levelled at the working Guide Dog.
Just horrific to watch :-(
By floJO
Date 12.06.12 09:30 UTC
why on earth did he put the lead on the floor
Looks like he wanted to roll a cigi.
Looks like he was short on wisdom on more than one front then. But seriously, with an unprovoked attack like that I'm sure there must have been other signs that his dog had problems around other dogs so sheer stupidity to take such a risk as that.
By Hethspaw
Date 12.06.12 09:51 UTC
Edited 12.06.12 09:55 UTC
with an unprovoked attack like that I'm sure there must have been other signs that his dog had problems around other dogs
You sound like you might live in the countryside or a comparative (to cities) isolated place. If you watch the vid again you will see was taking precautions in >his< way. I suggest if you travel through any of the cities you never take your dog to any city parks, kids of 11 13 etc are getting knifed & shot everyday, do you really think they give 2 zzzzs about a dog fight, its good fun to some, a great night out if organised, I was told by some non dog owning aquaintance in S'hampton they wait in a wood for the naive to walk through with pet dogs & just let one of those dogs for it & its only over when its over, B'ham area supposed to be as bad as anywhere.
By Jeff (Moderator)
Date 12.06.12 11:43 UTC
I have lived in many cities ( some huge ) and what you have posted is not my experience of them. I am sure things like this do happen but would suggest they are the exception rather than the rule.
By tadog
Date 12.06.12 11:50 UTC
years ago a G/D dog that i puppy walked was attacked on a beach by a GSD when it was free running. his G/D owner who was totally blind started to go towards the noise. the GSD's owner punched the G/D owner in the face. it was obvious that this was a blind person as they were carrying the harness.
By Admin (Administrator)
Date 12.06.12 12:41 UTC
I watched a local news item about this last night and was appalled and insensed in equal measures. The poor woman interviewed had been standing at a bus stop and was unaware of the approach of anyone else until she heard someone say "get it". Then all hell broke loose as the other dog layed into her own guide dog. Thankfully, people nearby came to her rescue but what a terrible experience. Were the police called? Yes and they arrived promptly. What was the response? They could do nothing because no crime had been committed. Words fail me. Well, actually they do not but I could not possible type what I am thinking!
I was told by some non dog owning aquaintance in S'hampton they wait in a wood for the naive to walk through with pet dogs & just let one of those dogs for it & its only over when its over, I can well believe this sort of thing,, we had our boy set upon same sort of way, but the owner was hiding round a corner then was filming his dog attacking mine with an open laptop, I believe this is happening a fair bit round my area now, im in sunny Peckham ,,
This clip has got me in tears and has made me feel physically sick. It's so sad.
By floJO
Date 12.06.12 15:10 UTC
Were the police called? Yes and they arrived promptly. What was the response? They could do nothing because no crime had been committed. Words fail me. Well, actually they do not but I could not possible type what I am thinking!
and I suppose when all things considered this is the most appalling 'crime' of all. Kids have gotton away with so much over the last couple of decades and each time it gives them confidence to commit further, nastier offences.
Its high time the do-gooders accepted that their approach does no good at all and that bringing back deterrents suitable for the 'crime' might have a better outcome.
Who was it who once said you judge a nation by the way it treats its animals? All I can say is that ours is a seriously sick nation, fast losing the plot to being civilised.
thats is just horrific .. that poor dog and it owner.
The guy obviously wasn't paying attention and I would think he regretted it afterwards, he certainly tried to stop his dog..!!
Having owned a rescue years ago who was later found to be unpredictable around other dogs, you HAVE to be one step ahead 24/7 I learnt the hard way shortly after rescuing the said dog of an unknown background, luckily no harm done in my case, but having been there I can't help but feel for all concerned, these things happen and it's really not nice, I was as devastated as the owner, and have never felt so bad in my life.
By floJO
Date 12.06.12 15:55 UTC
I suggest if you travel through any of the cities you never take your dog to any city parks, kids of 11 13 etc are getting knifed & shot everyday, do you really think they give 2 zzzzs about a dog fight, its good fun to some, a great night out if organised, I was told by some non dog owning aquaintance in S'hampton they wait in a wood for the naive to walk through with pet dogs & just let one of those dogs for it & its only over when its over, B'ham area supposed to be as bad as anywhere.
I think the situations you have gone on to describe are not the same as the one in the video. I don't think this guy intended his dog to harm anyone let alone deliberately 'set it up' - he was just foolish though the damage caused could be the same regardless of the intent.

It was Mahatma Ghandi who said that floJO.
By Stooge
Date 13.06.12 05:41 UTC
I don't think he said this....
>Its high time the do-gooders accepted that their approach does no good at all and that bringing back deterrents suitable for the 'crime' might have a better outcome.
....though :-D
Its high time the do-gooders accepted that their approach does no good at all and that bringing back deterrents suitable for the 'crime' might have a better outcomeIn Feb, he got a suspended jail term, banned from keeping a dog for 10 years, 150 hours community work, £1,200 to GDB, & £500 dogs owner
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8534086.stm.
By floJO
Date 16.06.12 16:15 UTC
I don't think he said this....
>Its high time the do-gooders accepted that their approach does no good at all and that bringing back deterrents suitable for the 'crime' might have a better outcome.
....though No-one suggested he did - the reference was to 'judging a nation by how it treats its animals'
By Stooge
Date 16.06.12 17:15 UTC
The irony of quoting him alongside castigating "do-gooders" just amused me that's all :)
By floJO
Date 22.06.12 19:28 UTC
Ah but the real irony is the do-gooders don't do any good - they have ruined society by making excuses for bad behaviour.
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