My girl is on Panacur 22% one and a half sachets once a month......but she is now absolutely refusing to take it no matter what I mix it with! Just today, I have wasted (she has? ;-) ) 3 sachets, tried it wrapped in cold meat, in corned beef, tinned mackeral and even a spoonful of ice cream ( the ice cream has worked for the past 3 months )

What can you suggest? Is there another way to give the granules or should I just keep trying? Maybe peanut butter or is there an equivalent Panacur in liquid form?

Thanx for any advice, I'm tearing my hair out!!! :-D

You can use liquid Panacur 10%- we buy it by the litre, but you can get a much smaller size.     You might try mixing this with something like Naturediet - worked for me when I was recently worming my pregnant girl every day.

Or you can ask your vet to try an alternative wormer.

(Just wondering why she needs worming so often?)

Jo

Hi Jo, she's wormed monthly with it because we live in a lungworm area, it's used as a 'preventative' in as much, that if she does get it , she is effectively being partially treated for it so a large burden can't build up - she has a longer dose a couple of times a year. She became reactive to Advocate ( which my boy has monthly with no problems ). I know it seems like wormer overkill, but our last boy died from lungworm :-(

Is there a difference between the 10% and her one? A liquid dose seems a lot easier and probably far more palatable to her than the gritty granules. I will speak to the vet tomorrow, can't think why he didn't offer the liquid unless he prefers the granules! Thanx

I use Panacur 10% for pregnant bitches, and have found the best way to hide it for my lot, so worth a try for you.

As they are starting to need more food at around the time I start Panacur, I start them on one extra meal a day.  Poached white fish - I use half water and half milk.  Stirring the Panacur in must disguise the taste, as it works for mine.  Although I understand that the liquid one just tastes chalky. 

It must be so frightening for you, living in a lungworm area.  And how heartbreaking to have lost a boy to it.  I understand your worry.

I buy mine from hyperdrug, as it is so much cheaper than buying from my vet.  Oh, and whichever supermarket is charging the cheapest for their "basics" frozen white fish portions.  Currently Sainsbury's at £1.99 for a bag of 6 decent size fillets.  :-)

> Is there a difference between the 10% and her one?

The liquid is a white suspension, though you might need to look into how much of it yours needs, as if they won't take it in food you'll need to syringe it in. That might not be a problem if it's not too much, as dogs are more easy going about it than cats!

I once had to dose six kittens by syringe with the suspension every two weeks, not a huge amount for each, but they managed to splatter me with it, as well as the carpet and ceiling (!) and it dries like a white emulsion.

You don't have to get it via a vet, it can be bought from PAH and most equestrian and country stores (granules too) and it is much cheaper.

I've just ordered a litre of Panacur for my lot as they are all grazers and i have oodles of slugs and snails in the garden.
Can i ask a possible dim question.... can the liquid not be administered through an oral syringe through the side of the mouth or does it taste so foul to most dogs that hiding it in food is the only way.
I'm with Killickchick and my intention is for preventative use as i don't treat my lot for fleas, not had any in years and Milbemax is out anyway because of my BC.

It can certainly be syringed into the mouth but they splutter and spit and a lot of it goes everywhere except down their throats! If you're putting it in their food you need to feed each pup individually to make sure they've all had the right amount.

you need to feed each pup individually
I only have adult dogs, the strength i've ordered is 10% and the only dog who i know for sure who will be a dream taking her meds is my BC. Syringe in one hand, tennis ball in the other! Simples! As for the rest of the tribe an apron and rubber gloves job i think!

>can the liquid not be administered through an oral syringe through the side of the mouth

:-)  :-)  :-)   My lot know how to splatter me!   Nothing smarter looking than a black top with white splat!  :-)

As Jo says or as I do with one that will sniff it out no matter what it's in, squirt it down the throat by putting the syringe between back teeth with mouth lightly closed then hold mouth shut until they swallow.

Myka knows how to hold it there for ages and spit as soon as you let go, so you need to make sure they have swallowed!!!  It was great fun dosing her for 25 days!!!

> Is there a difference between the 10% and her one?

Yes there is 10% liquid and 2.5% liquid, obviously you'd need to use 4 times as much of the latter, and the granules are different again.

It's quite easy with the 10% as adult dosage is 1ml per kg bodyweight, half that for dosing puppies or adults over more than 1 day (as for the lungworm).  A quarter dose for pregnant bitches.

Thanx for your advice peeps :-) I've just spoken to the vet and he is making up a 22% suspension for us to pick up tomorrow. I will let you know if I am sporting the new splattered look by tomorrow evening! :-D

22% suspension sounds wrong as it is only sold as 10%.  Hopefully your not getting the 2.5% as that works out much more expensive and also you need to give four times as much.

> he is making up a 22% suspension for us to pick up tomorrow

Making up?  That's confusing me, as it comes ready made up, and will be with you in 24 hours if you buy direct from hyperdrug at a fraction of the cost.

killickchick - they don't even charge P&P for wormers.

Milbemax also works as a lungworm preventative.  It is prescription only - perhaps your vet can get you some of that.  Comes in a convenient tablet!

Ahhhh now Maybe I'm confusing myself! I understood it as him making up a 22% suspension from the granules we usually have...but I could be wrong. If it is the 10% I will definitely be buying online as we do already for our granules, the Advocate I still buy from him as his prescription charge is so sooooo high, it sort of negates any savings by buying online :-(

I will also see if the Milbemax tab is a good option for our situation :-)

>Milbemax also works as a lungworm preventative

Yes, but having 3 Collies, it's something I never have in the house.  That way it can't be used in error! 

>the Advocate I still buy from him as his prescription charge is so sooooo high, it sort of negates any savings by buying online :-(<br />

I have the same problem!  I wanted 4 different sizes of Advocate and my vet wouldn't put them all on the same prescription and and £15 per prescription it would have been £60 before I'd even bought the stuff.

Why is it prescription anyway? And why does the vet have to have seen the animal in the last year, all that happens is that the receptionist looks at the computer and says, ' yep, that's ok, we saw Fido 10 months ago so you can have it'.  How does seeing the animal several months ago have any impact on whether they can use a spot on now??

Sorry, rant over :-D

Problems this end with my order from Hyperdrug.
They have said because i don't have cattle, sheep or horses then i can not buy the Panacur liquid 1 litre size.
It is cheaper for me this way so that i will have enough liquid to treat them again next time.
I have five adult dogs, total weight of them all is 64kg. I would need to buy five 100ml bottles of Panacur to treat them over seven consecutive days. Total cost would be £76.45. However if i bought 1 litre at £59.00 that would be enough for a treatment for them all now and another treatment for them next time and so on.
Now the really confusing bit GGGRRRR!
The 100ml Panacur 10% usages states that an animals weight between 8kg - 16kg should be given approximately 16ml of Panacur
However.....
The 1 litre Panacur 10% usage states 1ml should be given per 13kg of bodyweight.
I really am totally confused as they are both 10% strength.
All i want is an affordable preventative measure for lung worm.
Can anyone out there shed some light on this and how do you buy the 1 litre size? Do i have to go and buy a cow first!

Zebedee, I just said I had a horse.  Blatant lie, but I don't see why a company should dictate what product I can and can't buy!

I always use the 100ml bottles, as, even if I needed 5 bottles, it is considerably cheaper than buying from the vet.

Hi Zebedee

Companies supplying POM-VPS drugs are only allowed to prescribe these products if they are assured that you are using them for the purpose they are intended.

The ltr bottle is intended for use on farm animals and not on domestic cats and dogs. 

The small animal version is only available in 100ml bottle at the present time. 

Whether they are exactly the same drug I am afraid that I couldn't comment, that would have to come from the manufacturers.

If a customer lies, that is up to them, but the company has to be seen to be carrying out due dilligence to ensure the correct use of the drugs.

The doseage requirements are 1ml per 13kg when dosing cattle or horses but the small animal requires 1ml per kg for adult cats and dogs for routine worming (this differs for pregnant females, puppies and kittens under 6 months and also lungworm treatment)

Panacur is not liscensed for the prevention of lungworm but is liscensed for its treatment.

Hope this has been of some help.

Thank you everybody for your replies. It's appreciated. I do understand the reasons behind the restricted sale of the drug.
If i went to the chemist and bought 1,000 paracetamol tablets i'm sure the person behind the counter would ask me plenty of questions and refuse me a sale. Clearly the same principle applies here.

different species have different dose rates, but panacur 10% is the same regardless of which bottles it comes in and what species it's dispensed for.

It isn't the sellers that make the rules, which are of fairly recent nature as I had used the 1 litre sizes for the dogs for years when they were allowed to.

I got my litre of 10% Panacur from Scats - I had to give them my name and address, but they didn't ask which animals it was for.     We used to have sheep cattle and horses once upon a time......truly.

And yes, my vet (and Hoechst) have confirmed that it is exactly the same as the 10% in the small bottle for small animals.    Incidentally, does anyone use theirs for rabbits?

Jo

Hi all, just letting you know that it is the 10% I've been given....Eve has 11ml, I mixed it in her food and it went down fine! It looks such a tiny amount compared to the vast mound of granules she had before!!!! :-D

The granules are really most suitable for small dogs can cats, or maybe small pups.  They are much more expensive per dose than the 10% liquid.

>Eve has 11ml, I mixed it in her food and it went down fine!

Sorted!!  :-)  :-)  :-) 

Isn't it great when it turns out easy peasy!