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- By dog [gb] Date 28.04.12 17:53 UTC
I am disgusted at what I have just watched on Keith Lemon,s show.A puppy being given away as a prize.
I don't think it should be allowed.
- By debby1 [gb] Date 28.04.12 18:16 UTC
Same here,I have emailed the Kennel Club already. I've just posted on Facebook on English and French bulldogs,pugs and Bostons and some said that a friend of theirs was approached by the production team wanting a puppy and she told them where to go. x
- By Chatsworth [gb] Date 28.04.12 18:57 UTC
I would imagine the parents were fully aware they were going to get a puppy after taking part in the game themselves.

I just hope no one copies it at the local spring fair!
- By gwen [gb] Date 28.04.12 19:07 UTC
I had a feeling that it was illegal to give live animals as prized in the UK - although I know it happens in the USA.  The goldfish at the fair thing crops up every now and again as to wether they should be added to the prohibition.
- By Stooge Date 28.04.12 19:12 UTC

> I had a feeling that it was illegal to give live animals as prized in the UK


Sadly it would appear not as the RSPCA campaign against it
http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/faq/-/question/ENQCADPetsPrizes/category/Pets/
- By gwen [gb] Date 28.04.12 19:17 UTC
Just checked up and it is only illegal to give an animal as a prize to an under 16 if parent not present.
- By Celli [gb] Date 28.04.12 20:37 UTC
It is illegal in Scotland ( including goldfish at fairs ) but not in England and Wales sadly.
- By MsTemeraire Date 28.04.12 20:56 UTC
There is quite a bit about this on the Dog's Today FB page... the *cough* breeder of the pup is 17 years old, and claims she isn't a breeder because her two pugs mated accidentally. She is getting one heck of a ride on her Twitter page!
- By JeanSW Date 28.04.12 21:08 UTC
Fortunately I don't watch the programme.  He has got to be the most irritating man I have ever seen in my life, and genuinely can't believe that he is payed to be such a moron.
- By dog [gb] Date 29.04.12 00:36 UTC
The girl who bred the dog has a picture on her twitter page of the dogs mating.I don't think it was an accident as she says.Just my oppinion.
Is this breeder advertised on here?
- By Tyddhound [gb] Date 29.04.12 06:44 UTC
*Fortunately I don't watch the programme.  He has got to be the most irritating man I have ever seen in my life, and genuinely can't believe that he is payed to be such a moron.*

I'm with you on that one.
- By rocknrose [gb] Date 29.04.12 12:30 UTC
Got to agree. He is the most unfunny man I have ever had the misfortune to watch. I turn the tv over now as soon as I see him.
- By parrysite [gb] Date 29.04.12 13:25 UTC
I am quite a big fan of Keith Lemon, I find him really funny. I didn't see the show but I have to say this has put me off somewhat. What a terrible thing to do! Just out of interest (me being nosy as usual) can someone send me the link to the girls's twitter in a private message?
- By Trialist Date 29.04.12 18:20 UTC Edited 29.04.12 18:25 UTC
I don't like Keith Lemon from what I've seen of Celebrity Juice. Other than that I know nowt of him. I don't entirely blame him for the pug give away. He's paid to do a job, that in this case is by ITV. However, he has a brain ... I assume!!

The twitter name of the breeder of said pug is @ chloe grinnell ... without spaces from the @ symbol to the 2nd l! She has boasted that she had 7 pugs and sold them at £1,200 each. She says she's not a breeder!! Sorry. She's taken pictures of a mating and she has gone through with pregnancy. That makes her a breeder. Why ask for DM? She's been extremely abusive on Twitter to well respected people asking intelligent questions. She's also got her teen mates to join in with the abuse.

It's not acceptable. IN fact in Scotland, where the show was aired, offering a puppy as a raffle prize is illegal. If you look at Beverley Cuddy's site, it'll give info about who to complain to. ITV are responsible for this. However, Keith Lemon and the breeder have a HUGE part to play. Breeder might only be 17 years old. Sorry. She's old enough to bear children and to be married - she's old enough to be responsible. If she's mentally deranged and not responsible then her parents should be held responsible.
- By Stooge Date 29.04.12 18:35 UTC

> If you look at Beverley Cuddy's site


I think I would have to draw the line there :) There should be a complaints line on the ITV website.  I shall have a look later when I have a mo and see if I can see one to post.
- By Stooge Date 29.04.12 18:51 UTC
http://www.itv.com/contactus/wheretofindus/default.html
- By ali-t [gb] Date 29.04.12 19:12 UTC
And just when you think it can't get any worse, Peter Andre buys one of her pugs and calls it porridge!  Even the RSPCA have made comment http://twitter.com/#!/chloegrinnell
- By MsTemeraire Date 29.04.12 20:45 UTC
I couldn't get that page to come up, so maybe she has blocked her public status. Shame, really - a few pertinent comments about hemivertebrae and c-sections might not go amiss!

What's the betting she remates the bitch on her next season?
- By Hants [gb] Date 29.04.12 21:14 UTC
The breeder seems to be an illiterate moron, if her tweets are anything to go by...
- By parrysite [gb] Date 29.04.12 22:36 UTC
The fact that she very publically stated 'I study law and I wasn't breaking the law'. A quick look through her pictures and her report card... with a D in law, was there. Irony.
- By mastifflover Date 29.04.12 23:15 UTC

> I couldn't get that page to come up, so maybe she has blocked her public status.


I got it up OK, but I was allready logged into twitter before clicking the link.
- By dog [gb] Date 29.04.12 23:29 UTC Edited 29.04.12 23:32 UTC
I wonder if she has read the code of ethics on the KC web site.
13. Will not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers or directly or indirectly allow dogs to be given as a prize or donation in a competition of any kind. Will not sell by sale or auction Kennel Club registration certificates as stand alone items (not accompanying a dog).

Also I don't think the pups are registered that she bred them.
They are registered in her mothers name.
- By Trialist Date 30.04.12 07:38 UTC
Good blog, plus people to complain to:
[url=]http://safepetsuk.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/keith-lemon-itv-show-lemonaid-and-the-pug-puppy/     [/url]
- By chelzeagirl [gb] Date 30.04.12 09:02 UTC
found this http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18652

on a facebook page KeithLemonsPuppyPrizeProtest.

I didnt see the show myself but dont agree with puppy's
as prizes,,,, although must say the longest living goldfish i ever had came form a funfair ;-)
- By gwen [gb] Date 30.04.12 10:25 UTC
Was just going to post link to e-petitoons, you beat me to it!

Interested to read  the "Tweets" from the pup's breeder - in response to a "Tweet" that pugs can have health problems and incur big vet bills, the girls response - "only show pugs have health problems".  Isn't it funny how rubbish from the PDE programmes sticks in the publics' mind, but good advice about good breeders and breeding just goes in one ear and out the other?
- By Goldmali Date 30.04.12 10:31 UTC
in response to a "Tweet" that pugs can have health problems and incur big vet bills, the girls response - "only show pugs have health problems".

Even though we all knew this is how the general public now thinks, it still amazes me. How do they believe it works? If you take two Pugs not shown and breed them, the pups will be healthy. But say one buyer decided to show their puppy, will it instantly turn unhealthy then? (Miss the rolling eyes smiley!)
- By Tessies Tracey Date 30.04.12 10:44 UTC
Some of the comments by the young lady on a Facebook are rather startling!
For example, bemoaning the fact that she is 'a child, so leave me alone'... blaming her mother.. oh dear..
it's all rather backfired on the poor love hasn't it? 
- By AlisonGold [gb] Date 30.04.12 11:06 UTC
Well I have just checked twitter, she can't even spell.
- By chelzeagirl [gb] Date 30.04.12 11:12 UTC
in response to a "Tweet" that pugs can have health problems and incur big vet bills, the girls response - "only show pugs have health problems".  Isn't it funny how rubbish from the PDE programmes sticks in the publics' mind, but good advice about good breeders and breeding just goes in one ear and out the other?

Oh we Soooo need a like button on CD'S LOL,,,
- By vinya Date 30.04.12 11:14 UTC
Its disgusting in this day and age that a puppy is given as a prize. apparently  a few reputable breeders were approached but they quickly showed them the door. So they found a 17 years old girl who has no knowledge of breeding. She said to me that its fine to give a pug away at 7 weeks. We already have a world full of idiots breeding there dog to there friends dog just for cash and telling me its nature . With people like that in the world what hope do we have when a TV show makes it seem OK to get a puppy without seeing it with the mother  or checking it for health tests and so on.  And if you can't afford one don't bother saving up just win one . Disgusting
- By Tessies Tracey Date 30.04.12 11:17 UTC
Oooh Vinya, are you on the same fb page as I am?

Some of the responses are laughable..

I'm of the very firm opinion that whilst the tv producers of this trash tv show are very definitely partly responsible for all of this, the young lady/family who bred the pup in the first place are equally (if not more so) to blame.
Not many people seem to agree with this... :(
- By chelzeagirl [gb] Date 30.04.12 11:17 UTC
it still amazes me. How do they believe it works? If you take two Pugs not shown and breed them, the pups will be healthy. But say one buyer decided to show their puppy, will it instantly turn unhealthy then?

Ohhhh is that how it works,,,, lmao,,

must be why my EBT has no health problems then,,, as he has never been shown  ,,,but his dad was and did very well at crufts,,, I take it that means his dad must have health problems then??? blah blah,,,,

I have to laugh being that i am just a commoner,,, and know nothing but my common sense alone is reading this and lol,,,xxx
- By Tessies Tracey Date 30.04.12 11:26 UTC
The breeder is listed here on CD right?  Not the daughter, but the mother.
- By Goldmali Date 30.04.12 11:32 UTC
I'm of the very firm opinion that whilst the tv producers of this trash tv show are very definitely partly responsible for all of this, the young lady/family who bred the pup in the first place are equally (if not more so) to blame.
Not many people seem to agree with this... :-(


I definitely agree, because ultimately any breeder should deal only directly with the new owner of their pup! Had all breeders refused they could not have given a pup away. (Okay that would be unlikely to happen as they would always find a puppy farmer........but even so.)
- By vinya Date 30.04.12 11:34 UTC
yes Tessies Tracey im on that page too. and agree that the people who suplyed the puppy are also responsable
- By AlisonGold [gb] Date 30.04.12 11:50 UTC
I am going to e-mail Admin and ask that the Mother is removed as they obviously aren't responsible breeders.
- By gwen [gb] Date 30.04.12 13:37 UTC
I could not find the listing, but if they are listed here then the pups should be KC registered, I wonder if the KC are going to take any action as it is veyr much against the code of conduct.
- By Stooge Date 30.04.12 14:08 UTC Edited 30.04.12 14:11 UTC

> So they found a 17 years old girl who has no knowledge of breeding.


They have thrown her to the lions really.  I have to say, I feel rather sorry for the girl, she is ignorant and niaive and seems a stroppy little mare :) but she is only 17 and a perfect storm has descended on her whilst people with a lot more knowledge and understanding, namely to TV production team, have exploited her to the hilt. 
I also cannot believe that a 17 year old can breed a litter without the parents being totally complicit and they should know a lot better.
- By Stevensonsign [gb] Date 30.04.12 16:22 UTC
Allegedly it is the mother who bred the litter Amanda Grinnell.She advertised a litter http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/findapuppy/display.aspx?breed=6164&area=3
Pug puppies for sale in North West England
www.the-kennel-club.org.uk so these were Kc registered . the Dogs Trust have issued a statement as have the Kennel club. The fb page  said ITV approached the KC however , so no doubt the truth of the story will out .
''The Kennel Club is disappointed and shocked that a puppy was given as a prize on a prime-time ITV show and is writing to the television producers and to Ofcom to outline its concerns.
The Kennel Club's Code of Ethics prohibits breeders from giving puppies as prizes, stating that breeders: 'Will not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers or directly or indirectly allow dogs to be given as a prize or donation in a competition of any kind.'
Selling puppies as prizes is also illegal in Scotland. The Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2000 states that a person commits an offence if 'the person offers or gives an animal to another person as a prize.' The Kennel Club advised television researchers last week that a puppy should never be given away as a prize.''
- By mcmanigan773 [gb] Date 30.04.12 16:27 UTC
It says on KC Site the pups were born on 11 March meaning they were not quite 7 weeks old on Saturday when pup was given away.
- By dog [gb] Date 30.04.12 16:32 UTC
I sent an email to the sponsors.This is the reply I got.
customer.relations@gsk.com

Dear xxxxxx

Thank you for contacting us about the content of Saturday's Lemonaid show on ITV. 

As the sponsor of the show, Panadol have no editorial control over, nor knowledge of, the content of the programme before it airs.  However we have contacted ITV and Talkback about your concerns. They have assured us that an independent, qualified vet visited each home in advance of the show to conduct a thorough check before the re-homing process.  That check included making sure that each family understood the commitment and responsibility associated with owning a dog. 

Once again thank you for alerting us to this.

Kind regards,

Consumer Affairs Department
GlaxoSmithKline Consumer Healthcare
- By Stooge Date 30.04.12 16:35 UTC
The girl has posted a statement
https://www.facebook.com/notes/keithlemonspuppyprizeprotest/statement-from-chlo-grinnell-breeder/167850010007134

I think she is sorry about the wrong things myself.
- By mcmanigan773 [gb] Date 30.04.12 16:55 UTC
I wouldn't imagine she wrote the apology herself either
- By Stevensonsign [gb] Date 30.04.12 17:06 UTC
The advert posted on the KC page advertising pups , was meant only as info only showing that The KC registered stock from  this pug breeder . The date shown of that litter may not have been the same litter .
- By gwen [gb] Date 30.04.12 17:19 UTC
Reading the statement from the breeder/breeders daughter it seems the bitch has been spayed - so do we assume the litter was  C section, as I can't imagine any vet operating on a nursing bitch?  It also sounds like they got quite a shoic at the amount of work that goes into rearing a litter.
- By parrysite [gb] Date 30.04.12 19:02 UTC
Speaking to the girl yesterday on Twitter, I think it seemed that she enjoyed the fame of it but did get a bit caught up. It sounds as though the homes *were* vetted- I know that is not enough on its own. What I took issue with was what was displayed on the program. The average viewer wouldn't take into consideration what had gone on behind the scenes.

However, I suppose from the 'breeders' point-of-view.. she may have simply thought that if she didn't do it, they would go to a puppy farmer or otherwise and therefore she might have felt that if she was onboard with ITV, she could control it, make sure that the homes were vetted etc etc.

All-in-all, a very silly thing to do but I do think she has learnt from it.
- By Stooge Date 30.04.12 19:06 UTC

> I suppose from the 'breeders' point-of-view.. she may have simply thought that if she didn't do it, they would go to a puppy farmer or otherwise and therefore she might have felt that if she was onboard with ITV, she could control it, make sure that the homes were vetted etc etc


Mmmmmmm rather than strongly advising them of the irresponsibility of it?  Not convinced Josh :)  but I do agree that the people ultimately responsible are the programme producers and ITV for airing.
- By gwen [gb] Date 30.04.12 19:10 UTC
Well there are statements out there now from the KC, RSPCA & Dogs Trust, wonder if the Programme makers will take any notice?  Teh Ofcom site is up and runing again, for anyone wanting to post a complaint,
- By parrysite [gb] Date 30.04.12 19:28 UTC
I wasn't using that argument to justify what she'd done. I certainly do NOT condone any such actions, I was merely offering it as an explanation as to what must have gone through her head.
- By Stooge Date 30.04.12 19:51 UTC

>I wasn't using that argument to justify what she'd done.


I realise that Josh :)  I just think you are crediting her with more noble thoughts than I would have done. :)
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