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Just wondering could you breed a working cocker with a show cocker if you did would you get ones you could show

Probably not.
By tadog
Date 29.04.12 06:28 UTC
KC register both so you could breed & register & show the pups. However I would not expect the pups to look like a 'show' cocker. and doubt if the temprement would be the same either. both working & show cockers are very diff and I personally wish they were registered as diff breeds.
There's nothing to stop you showing it because you could register it with the KC......but it probably wouldn't be show quality.
If you want a cocker to show buy a puppy from show parents and a breeder who shows.
:-) I agree, it is unlikely it would be of show quality although you never know what could come through, but it would be most unfair to even have a dog like that do well and be potentially then used as a stud, as it could throw up all sorts of shapes and sizes.
But if you know someone who has a pup of the two strains then yes they can show the pup it is down to the eye of a judge as to what is within the breed standard.
Personally not something anyone would do though as the strains are sooooo...... different, you will get a show quality pup by getting it from show lines, not likely by throwing in a different shaped head, ears, body and energy level in fact pretty mad thinking. :-D
By cracar
Date 29.04.12 08:53 UTC
No. You won't get a show quality pup that you could take to champ level. You will get a fantastic pup, though! In fact, THE best working cocker ever was a mating between a show and worker. Pups that lines cross are frowned on from both sides but I think it can improve both sides if you do it properly. What you need to remember is this was the same breed, identical, 50 years ago. There was no working/show lines. But then quite a few breeds are going this way with 2 separate breeds almost.
By JaneS (Moderator)
Date 29.04.12 11:01 UTC
> You will get a fantastic pup, though! In fact, THE best working cocker ever was a mating between a show and worker. Pups that lines cross are frowned on from both sides but I think it can improve both sides if you do it properly. What you need to remember is this was the same breed, identical, 50 years ago. There was no working/show lines.
Not sure anyone can make that kind of guarantee (the bit about a "fantastic pup") so often the mixing of show/working strain dogs is done by pet/BYB breeders who don't have a clue what they're doing and have no aims in breeding apart from producing "pretty colours" for the pet market. Yes you can end up with a fantastic pup but more by luck than judgment - you can also end up with inexperienced buyers who find they have a pup which vaguely looks like a show-type Cocker but with energy levels and stamina they were not prepared for and did not want. I don't know of any reputable breeder currently mixing the two strains and doing it as part of a properly planned breeding program - in the 80s I can remember one well-known working breeder using a Show Cocker in his lines to improve heads but that was many years ago now & can't see it happening again any time soon (or vice versa)
By cracar
Date 29.04.12 12:01 UTC
Sorry, What I meant was a Cocker of any sort is a fantastic pup.

Interestingly, someone at my choir mentioned to me last week that they'd had an (accidental) litter between their working Lab and another family member's show Lab. I wonder what they'll turn out like! I managed not to roll my eyes....
By Jemini
Date 02.05.12 08:52 UTC
I bought what I thought was a show cocker, the breeder told me this. Although I have had a show cocker before, my pup was nothing like my other one, and although I have even owned a rescue springer who was mad, I find my pup such hard work. When the breeder sent me the pup's history, I saw that she had FTCH working cocker in her. My pup is now nearly 9 months and has really high energy levels. She cannot take to the lead, or towns, but is fantastic off lead. Other owners who have working cockers all think that my pup is working, she is liver with a white chest, and I keep her coat short as she loves to roll in mud and cow poo. She never walks indoors, runs everywhere and jumps, like a mini racehorse. She likes her own way, and will bite if she doesn't agree. To be honest, I thinks she needs a minimum of 6 miles a day, and sadly I cannot provide this. She will play very hard with large boy labs, and then meet another dog and play hard with them, and she doesn't seem to care if she gets hurt and outruns them all. She suffers from terrible separation anxiety and is extremely destructive. I just hope my post will help anyone thinking of mixing show and working cockers.

Working cockers are fantastic little dogs , and just do what it says on the tin! They need to work - that is - not necessarily miles of exercise, but masses of constructive brain work. If you just do masses of physical exercise, it's cumulative, and they need more and more. So if you miss a day or two, they work out their own exercise programme ;-)
Just look on the cheap ads sites - there are always poor little working cockers who have been bred and homed to unsuitable homes, and who are just too much dog........
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