I'm going to be hitting the garden centres this week, looking for some scented, preferably wildlife friendly climbing roses. I'm looking at Wedding Day, which although a bit of a beast, has nice open flowers for easy access for insects, which ever one i get, it'll be pale pink or white, what I'm looking for is another climber to plant alongside, possibly a clematis or a honeysuckle. I have two large bare S SW facing stone walls which are about 6 ft high, and clay soil.
Any suggestions ?

The rose New Dawn has beautiful small flowers, a delicious scent, but vicious thorns!

We have two what we call trumpet flower climbers and the are beautiful when they are in flower and last year lasted until the beginning of November.

They are a lovely deep orange colour and really stand out in clusters of the flowers on stems.

Here you go this is the plant !

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=328

I think it would be too cold in Scotland for the Campsis to survive the winter, gorgeous plant though.

I was looking at New Dawn as a possibility, I think they had it on Gardeners World last friday, and it does seem pretty idiot proof , which is perfect for me lol.

The only rose I've managed to not kill has been Blush Noisette which is a very old variety of scented climber, it grows up an old apple tree and flowers all year once it gets started, every other rose I've tried has either vanished without a trace or refuses to flower.

Strange that you kill roses as they love clay soil???
Depeding on how big a place you have, how about an evergreen honey suckle (large leaves) or southish facing a honeysuckle, takes a few years to flower and you do have to prune it correctly but it does look great :) :) :)
Lea :)

Or a Wisteria? Can take a while to flower but they smell divine.

OOOOOPPPPPSSSSS JG thats what I meant. Whysteria!!!! I had it in my mind but typed honeysuckle and pruning!!!!!!
Sorry!!!!
Lea :) :)

Are you looking to plant two together or on separate walls?  If together, then part of your decision rests on what you have in place to support the growth and also how each 'climbs'.  The thing you need to watch out for is the partner using the rose as support and strangling it, or hiding the roses!

If you like roses then I'd be inclined to plant two or three (choose differing flowering times, or masses of the same) with something low underneath them, rather than another (different) climber which will compete.  Alternatively you could choose something which will hug your wall quite tightly and maybe provide an evergreen backdrop then put a trellis in front of the wall for your roses...

If you really want a clematis with your rose then choose a climbing rose rather than a rambler (such as your preferred Wedding Day) and give your rose a year or so to establish first.  A rambling rose will cover your wall so fast that anything else won't get a look in!

Check out Crocus for general advice and planting partner suggestions.  This Rosa Climbing Iceberg is a beauty, if you like white, and will do the job very nicely.  You can underplant for bees and other insects :)

I grow Rosa New Dawn alongside Clematis Hagley Hybrid, and it's a lovely combination.  It even tolerates a degree of shade.

http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=196

For the effect of the two together, think 1930s clothing - chiffon and silk in pale pink and mauve.  Lovely!

Good heavens, I've clicked on Gardeners Question Time by mistake! :) :)

(love listening to that every Sunday while cooking the roast).

Check your flag missus - you've not only entered a parallel 'green' universe, you've moved to Kuwait!!!  How exciting :)

Roast chicken dinners and climbing plants in Kuwait... I must be tuning into the World Service!

Ooooh Blush Noisette ....... I have this rose and love it, simply scrumptious!  I'm in the south east so am lucky to also be able to grow Campsis Radicans "Madame Galen" - big salmon, trumpet shaped flowers, and lovely leaves.

I have New Dawn in my garden but it is dull in comparision to my favourite rose, David Austen's "Constance Spry" 

http://www.davidaustinroses.com/english/showrose.asp?showr=4262
- not a repeat flowerer, but very much a high point of the year in the garden!

I hahe a New Dawn climber in my garden, another favourite is Schoolgirl climber or Zephruin Druin. I love David Austin roses, the smell, the look of the old fashioned roses beats these new upstarts hands down :)

The scent of a Zepherine is unbeatable - and no thorns at all!

>I have New Dawn in my garden but it is dull in comparision to my favourite rose, David Austen's "Constance Spry"  <br />

I love David Austin roses, I have Albertine which has a very strong fragrance, a lovely peachy pink in bud and fades to a pastel warm pink when open.  It does very well in a not so great location.

This thread is very similar to some of my own thoughts on my garden.  I have some David Austen roses - 2 Falstaff and 1 Mayflower, plus a very simple Dog Rose which appeared against my fence 2 years ago, no idea how, but quite appropriate!  I am making a raised be along the lenght of the fence and one of the Falstaffs is already positioned near 1 end of the bed, so I am taking the easy route and going to plant the other Falstaff (very dark red climber/rambler) close to the Dog rose at the other end, and put the Mayflower (Pink Shrub) roughly in the middle.  This is only a 4' high fence, so the Climbers will be allowe dsideways but not much room for going up.  I want another sort of climber to go between the roses adn add some interest at other times, my initial idea was a Clematis and a Honeysuckle but have been doing some reading and apparently Clematis like their roots sheltered and cool, which is not this border, unless the lavender I am planting along the front of the bed will give the roots enough shelter?  I'm also looking fro something to grow up through my flowering Cherry, so perhaps a Clematis could work here,  does anyone have any idea if this would have any adverse effect on the Cherry Tree? 

I would love a Wisteria, but don't know if I can wait the length of time for it to flower - apparently up to 8 years.

My Clematis's (Clemati?!) are in a hot sunny bed with dreadful chalky soil.  I plant them quite deep initially as this gives the plant chance to recover if clematis wilt should strike.  I keep the roots cool by first mulching and then surrounding with some large flat stones.  They seem to be thriving :-)

Blimey ! I didn't realise how many keen gardeners CD'ers were !

Great suggestions, especially the point about the rose and other climber out competing each other, very useful point.
There are two large sections of wall to be covered, walls about 6ft high, both bits of the wall to be covered are approx 12ft long.
I'm getting Ed to put in proper screw eye and wire supports, which should be able to take the weight of a hefty climber.

Has anyone had roses by post ?, there are about 4 garden centres round about here, but I don't know what their selection will be like. If all else fails it'll be a trip to Dougal Phillips near the Forth Rd Bridge, they're expensive but probably have the best choice.

Since your all garden buffs, another question. I'm also planning on putting in a new "nectar bar " ( which will be in the same area as the new roses ) I was going to put in some Beebalm and Sedum, Foxgloves usually appear on their own in my garden, any other suggestions ?. Site will be in partial shade and clay soil again, but reasonably sheltered.

Many thanks for all these great ideas x

Gwen, what about the Blush Noisette climbing rose I have for your cherry tree ?, mine is growing through an old apple tree and hasn't had any adverse effect on it.
http://www.davidaustinroses.com/english/showrose.asp?showr=66
It really is a very well mannered climber, and quite dainty so it won't drown out the tree.

There might be some useful ideas here;

http://www.bbka.org.uk/files/library/pollen_&_nectar_rich_plants_for_your_garden_by_season_june_2011_for_website_1310045511.pdf

I really like scabious :-)

Hmmm, I think Wedding Day might be better up the muckle pergola at the back door, this thing is huge and supported by old telegraph poles, it did have an equally muckle clematis growing up it, but that died year before last under the several feet of snow we had. The skeleton of the clematis is still there as it's home to a colony of Dunnocks and is the summer home of a pair of Blackbirds, but I could cut it back a bit and then the Wedding Day could use that as support.

I can recommend Pococks/Cornish Rose Company. My children sent us some roses last year from Pococks for our 30th wedding anniversary. We then bought some English Roses to go against a fence, although they haven't flowered yet :) All stock looked in really good condition when they arrived.

I never think wisteria does very well in Scotland - certainly hasn't in my garden but my honeysuckle and clematis are going great guns so I would stick with one of those to put with roses.

My mum had a climbing rose called golden showers ( yellow so no good for your colour choice) years ago and it was always a riot of yellow every summer. I think it cost about 2 shillings from Woolies at the time :-) . I still have a rose in my garden that originally came from my gran's garden and must be older than me but still flowers every year - bush not a climber - I think it is a Queen Elizabeth but it is a very pale pink so maybe not.

Yes New Dawn was on Gardener's world - I said to my hubby - that west facing wall needs something on it, so he rewatched the programme and phoned up the garden centre to hold us a New Dawn and Mme Alfred Carriere (which is supposed to be low on thorns).  We got a third the - Bridge of Sighs.  He doesn't do things by half!   We have a clematis to put in alongside too.  Think our garage wall is going to be a bit overgrown in a few years.

Phew ! I'm blimmin' nickynackynood....I seem to have bought a bootful of plants !.
I got Wedding Day, which can either go on the pergola or on one of the walls which won't need much maintenance as it can pretty much do what the hell it likes on that part of wall.
I also got The Wedgewood Rose, which is a lovely old climbing one ( I do like those romantic old ones over the hybrid tea's )http://www.davidaustinroses.com/english/Showrose.asp?Showr=5937

I also got a Cat Nip, Verbena,Aquilegia ( white ) Foxgloves (white ) Anenomes ( err, white again ) and a Knautia Macedonia which is very deep red, oh and a very pale yellow Broom, mainly because it was covered in bees lol.
Still need to find Beebalm and Sedum.

Dobbies are doing quite a good deal just now, 6 plants for a tenner ( wee ones ) I got the foxgloves and the anenomes for £10.

Now all I need to do is dig a whole new border !.....and keep those masters of destruction ( hens) off it.

> Gwen, what about the Blush Noisette climbing rose I have for your cherry tree ?, mine is growing through an old apple tree and hasn't had any adverse effect on it.

I was looking at the catalogue at lunch time and narrowed it down between the Blush Noisette and Felicite Perpetue if I go with a rose,  although still considering a honeysuckle.

Knautia Macedonia

I have this in my garden too - I love the deep rich colour and you don't see it everywhere which is nice :-)

Partially got some of the turf up on the new bed, and boy have I got clay soil !, just as well I've also got large amounts of henpen to put on it.
I also tackled the clematis skeleton, I went at it with my electric hedge cutter and rather embarrassingly cut through the flex approx 2 mins into it !...I'll be sticking to the hand shears from now on lol.

Celli if you are in Scotland don't plant yet.  You've got snow coming next week!!

WHAT !!!?...NOOOOOOOO.

Really ? where'd you hear that ?

thankfully nothings been put in the ground yet, so i'll hold off.

Snow forecast:  this one is from this morning but I think it was quite widely reported and was on the tv weather forecasts last week too

I seen it this morning, looks like we might get caught tonight.

"snow" does not even cover it!  We got caught in a white out coming home from ringcraft last night, and crawled the last 10 miles or so at 5 - 10 miles per hour on heavily snowed up hilly roads, with scarey blue flashes in the sky form the power lines - apparently about 10,000 houses int he area had power cuts.  But now blue sky, sunshine, but very cold wind.

I can recommend a very vigorous climbing rose called veilchenblau,masses of small single flowers and a very unusual mauve colour.Caught my eye in a garden centre,and I now have two along my fence,one had its main root cut when the paving was redone,but is growing on regardless.!