Hi, Is it normal for a breeder to microchip a puppy and then tell the buyer to register with a chipping company of their choice?

I have just bought a puppy that has been chipped and told to register it myself and having trouble doing so as can't find any companies that do this. Any help would be appreciated.

Also, when a breeder registers puppies with the KC, are they registered with their KC kennel name at time of registration or just registered as the number of puppies and their sex?

I am rather puzzled as I know that this breeder has registered these puppies as they are showing on puppies available in the relevant breed section of the KC website but the breeder is adamant that he has not yet registered the puppies and the registration papers are not yet available not is the KC Assured Breeder pack nor is the 4 weeks insurance as this will only come from the KC with the registration papers.

Feeling rather stupid and worried.

To boot, the puppies were sold as fully vaccinated but the vac cert that I have now received is only showing the first vac and not the second.

I think i'm right that puppies advertised on the KC web site will have been registered but it only shows the sex and number.

I'm thinking he may have two litters one registered and one not registered.

Have you collected your pup yet or just enquired about them?

Hi, Is it normal for a breeder to microchip a puppy and then tell the buyer to register with a chipping company of their choice?

No that isn't possible. The brand of the microchip determines which register the details go on. When a breeder or vet buys microchips from a company, included in the price is registration with an organisation already determined. The vast majority are with PetLog (run by the KC) and personally I would not entertain any other. But it's not something you can chose. Did you get any paperwork for the microchip? Did the breeder scan the pup in front of you to prove it had been chipped? Normally the microchip registration is done online, but that can only be done by people qualified to carry out microchipping, i.e. the person who chipped it. If not, the papers should be posted and an address should be obvious on them. It would normally be a green form in triplicate.

Also, when a breeder registers puppies with the KC, are they registered with their KC kennel name at time of registration or just registered as the number of puppies and their sex?

Full name, sex, colour, breed -everything.

I am rather puzzled as I know that this breeder has registered these puppies as they are showing on puppies available in the relevant breed section of the KC website but the breeder is adamant that he has not yet registered the puppies and the registration papers are not yet available not is the KC Assured Breeder pack nor is the 4 weeks insurance as this will only come from the KC with the registration papers.

It is perfectly possible for a litter to show up as available on the KC website before the breeder has received the paperwork as that can take up to 10 days -but they would HAVE to be registered first. (I.e. the breeder must either have done the application online or sent the paperwork in the post to the KC.) So something isn't right. Did they perhaps have two litters?

Thank you for your replies. Goldmali, I am also thinking that something is not right.

I obtained the details of this breeder from Champdogs. He has a very impressive website  boasting many championship wins, and prior to picking up the puppy 2 weeks ago there was lots of dialogue between us, and now nothing.

The puppy was being sold with full vaccination as she was 14/15 weeks old, microchipped, KC registration and KC Breeders pack.

I arranged to pick up the puppy on a certain day and the day before he contacted me to say that he was departing early for a show on that day but his partner (in life not business) would be there to hand over the puppy.

When I arrived to collect the puppy, which was a considerable distance away, there was no paperwork for the microchippiing, no KC reg papers (he previously told me to choose a name which he would incorporate into the kennel name) No breeders pack, no contract of sale and no receipt book available. His partner said that the breeder would take care of it when he returned and let me have everything.

Despite paying a lot of money for the puppy - it is quite a rare breed, all I was issued with was a torn off piece of paper from his partner stateing what money was paid.

At that point I had no reason to suspect anything was amiss, but 2 weeks on despite trying to contact him I have received an email stating that he is very busy and I have to register the puppy myself with a microchip company. I cannot get a puppy sales contract, I cannot get an official receipt for insurance purposes and I doubt that an insurance company would accept this piece of paper as proof of purchase, and he is adamant that the puppies have not been registered, so no KC papers are available nor a Accredited Breeders Pack, insurance etc.

I have received a vaccination cert, which does not state any details regarding the puppy, only date of birth and only one of the primary vaccinations have been done, and it appears not by a vet but by him as the vaccination cert is one printed by himself, there is no veterinary details on the card.

I do not believe that it would be possible for two identical litters to be born on the same day, ie same number of pups and sex, and the fact that he is being evasive is worrying me.

What I did not know at that time was that his partner was also advertising puppies of the same breed on epupz, which I had previously seen prior to contacting the breeder. I discounted these puppies as I prefered to get a puppy from a reputable breeder.

This person is still advertising puppies on epupz and the worrying thing is that the photo of the puppy in epupz is identical to the puppy that I have taken home.

I know that all puppies of this breed are similar but there are differences and the puppy on epupz is I swear my puppy as it has exactly the same nose markings etc.

I am very much starting to believe that the puppy that I have been sold is not the puppy that I have paid for.

All the puppies from the litter have been sold and the puppy is 4 months old today. I do fear that something is not quite right and what if anything I can do about it.

I think you ought to contact the Kennel Club, because if this breeder is a KC Assured one, they have broken all sorts of rules. :(

Goldmaili, I have emailed the Kennel Club for advice last evening but I don't expect a reply for a few days to a week. I was just hoping for some advice - do I have something to really worry about and as I obviously do I will phone them.

I have checked on the KC website for Accredited Breeders for this breed and it is stating that there are NO Accreddited Breeders for this breed.

May I ask you to define what sort of rules have they broken? I truly appreciate your help and advice.
regards

>I have received a vaccination cert, which does not state any details regarding the puppy, only date of birth and only one of the primary vaccinations have been done, and it appears not by a vet but by him as the vaccination cert is one printed by himself, there is no veterinary details on the card.

That's illegal, for a start. :-(

I have checked on the KC website for Accredited Breeders for this breed and it is stating that there are NO Accreddited Breeders for this breed.

May I ask you to define what sort of rules have they broken? I truly appreciate your help and advice.
regards

So they must have lied to you. That's awful. (I am assuming they did say they were AB as they mentioned the Assured Breeder pack that comes with the puppy registrations! Only ABs can get them.)

As Assured Breeders they should have given you the pedigree, written information on feeding, training, socialisation, about the breed etc, and the contract at time of sale. The registration certificate should be given at time of sale or be forwarded "as soon as possible". It usually only takes 10 days max from the day you apply for registration until you get the certificates. Even if they didn't have the registration certificates through in time, there is no reason whatsoever to not give you the pedigree, the contract, the written information etc.

It might be better if you phone the KC. Sometimes they reply to e-mails, sometimes not -it seems to be hit and miss. The phone number for registration queries is 0844 463 3980.

Goldmali, I was refered to their website for full information incase he had forgotten to point out anything to me. The website clearly states (and does so today) that they are KC Accredited Breeders.

I PM you

> I obtained the details of this breeder from Champdogs.

In that case also contact the Champdogs admin They can investigate and could remove a breeder that is not reputable from the site

Udate: Contacted Petlog to try and register microchip with them. They tell me that to do so, I have to have proof of change of ownership and this cannot get from him.

Just managed to retrieve emails and photo's of available  2 puppies that the breeder sent me. My Puppy is NOT one of the puppies on the photo, it is definately his girlfriends puppy that is pictured on epupz. I have now downloaded both sets and printed them

On the very day that I picked up this puppy, handed over by his girlfriend, her ad changed from 2 available girls to 1. I have been well and truly done over! My childrens frase. I am waiting for some infor from KC at the moment.

This breeder claims to be also a FCI judge as well.

Trading standards?

News back from the KC, It appears that I have been sold a 'pup' - sorry for the pun.

He is not an assured breeder, he is not registered with the KC at the address I went to and the papers for the puppies (of which he supposedly sold 1 to me) have been already sent to him a month ago.

They have told me to write to them with an official complaint about him, but have told me to report him to Trading Standards for fraud.

Too upset to continue at the moment.

I'm so sorry. :( Some people!!!! This makes me so angry. Definitely go to trading standards, if you can do anything to stop him, do it!

Goldmali, I intend to. I have just contacted him one last time to see what action he wants to take. I am going to take puppy to vet's this evening to see if she has in fact been chipped.

I only had the puppy 4 days before I was unfortunately admitted to hospital in an emergency and my daughter had to care for her. I only came out last weekend which was when I realised that something wasn't right, and I am not suppose to drive until I see my consultant in a weeks time which is why I have not been to vet yet, only spoken to him on the phone but I now need to know at least if she is chipped before I phone trading standards.

KC, although sympathetic and advised TS, did not seem to be concerned regarding him stating to be Assured Breeder but did say if not happy to write to them, what they will do about it I don't know. They tell me he is not registered at the address that I picked the puppy up from.

I am thinking of contacting the council to see if they are registered for breeding at that address and I am definitely going to contact Inland Revenue to see if they are paying tax on these puppy sales as I am sure that they are running a profitable business. So mad. The little one is a lovely girl but I won't be able to show her and I so wanted to get into showing if only as a hobby.

If it proves to be fraud, what can Champdogs do as he is a member as I got his details from on here?

Sorry it's turned out as it has :-( Definitely follow through with Trading Standards, they are the people to talk to. Have you contacted CD Admin yet re his advertising on this site? I hope you get a satisfactory outcome :-)