she is currently 8 weeks and is NOT kc reg and will NOT be bred from but i would like to have her L-2HGA and HC-HSF4 tested anyway what age can i get this done the kc website says  for HC-HSF4 - clinical signs are usually apparent between 6 months and one year .
And for L-2HGA - it can be diagnosed as early as 8-12 weeks of age Obvious cataracts occur between 9 and 15 months of age with further progression and maturity of the cataract between 2-4 years.

so does that mean i can have her tested for L-2HGA between 9 and 15 months ?
And HC-HSF4 between 6 months and a year ?

I don't know about the HC but the L2 can be tested for earlier, my bitch was tested at 3 months when she developed an irregular gait.

Can I ask if she is not KC registered would the breed club include results into their statistics ?
So what benefit would it have as potentially knowing that she may develop a condition unless you are planning to start saving money for potential vets bills if you haven't got insurance. If you have got her insured if she is positive to any of the test you would have to let the insurers know and your premiums could be affected ?

I know a lot people who do obedience or agility will test their dogs whether or not they are registered with the KC pedigree register.

I think there are moves to include cross bred and full pedigree unregistered dogs in health testing and if nothing else it can put an owners mind at rest if they know what the exact health status of their dog is. Certainly at the ye testing sessions I run in Haddenham I do not turn away any dog if it is not registered with the KC.

Perhaps finding where to get health testing on the facebook group might help you?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/170959846274011/

" I think there are moves to include cross bred and full pedigree unregistered dogs in health testing and if nothing else it can put an owners mind at rest if they know what the exact health status of their dog is "

this is exactly why i want to still get the health tests done even though shes not KC , im hoping to do agility and obedience with her when shes older aswell x

>I think there are moves to include cross bred and full pedigree unregistered dogs in health testing

Any dog, whatever its parentage, can already be hip- and elbow-scored.

yes and DNA tested for various things, I have a 'working sheepdog' who's been DNA tested for TNS and CEA, if dogs are on the 'working' register they'll be recorded in the breed supplement

> I have a 'working sheepdog' who's been DNA tested for TNS and CEA, if dogs are on the 'working' register they'll be recorded in the breed supplement

Is that the Activity register? (I think it used to be called Working).

Maybe the OP doesn't realise that any dog not already registered by KC can be put on Activity - meaning it can participate in WT, Agility, Obedience. Flyball etc.  Any dog (crossbreed/mongrel/unregd pedigree) can go onto this register - and will need to if the owner wants to go into competition.

Non-KC registered dogs can also be health tested; I think they need some form of permanent identification (chipped or tattooed) but they do not have to be registered anywhere, just ID'd.

yes but then they're not included in the breed supplement - Jorja was TNS tested before I registered her so wasn't included, as you say dogs can be on any breed register or none, but my comment was that they could be included in the breed supplement even if not on the 'breed' register

thanks for all your help my girl is going in for her health tests tonight , she is already microchipped and is also getting tattood in a week, due to her colour i think it will tempt some people to take her so better safe than sorry :) , im now looking into the dilute gene ect as the vets have said thats what has caused her colour

'Going in'? 

I thought bloods, etc had to be sent off to the AHT?

Very interesting and somewhat mind boggling the the dilute gene that causes coat colouration :)  Happy reading ashsbt :)

i already know the basiscs due to breeding rabbits but im trying to grasp the WHOLE thing lol, she went in for her eye examination and passed with flying colours it was hc,chc and phpv x

Blood samples DO have to be taken for L2 and HC dna tests Tracey :o)
Vets cant determine the carrier, affected, unaffected status just be looking or by a checkup

forms are filled in ready to be posted for l2 and hc this examination just says clinically unaffected on the sheet so 2 different tests im assuming ? but £117 for both dna tests isnt bad :) will be posted first thing would you reccomend using blood or cheek swabs ? x

this site really NEEDS  alike button lol

> i already know the basiscs due to breeding rabbits but im trying to grasp the WHOLE thing lol

f you are wanting to know how Blue dilution is inherited in dogs, then may I direct you here:
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/dilutions.html#blue

I would be lying if I said  that inheritance of Blue in dogs is as simple as it is in rabbits - in one way it is ( recessive to black, etc) but because dogs have been kept to certain breeds and lines for so long, there are many differences. The link above gives the cutting-edge knowledge as we have it.

On a basic level, Blue is still a recessive to black, but what we don't know is if there is more than one type of Blue. In other animals such as mice and rats, there are several genes which give a Blue colour, and they are not related.

Next, it is possible for one gene to have variations on its own level - Professor Sheila Schmutz has identified 3 different types [allelles] of Brown/Liver/Chocolate] in dogs. They are all of the same "Brown" family gene but are inherited differently.

It is not impossible that there are different members of the Blue gene family in dogs - yet to be identified - but this would go a very long way to explain why some dogs with the Dilute gene (which causes blue) leads to dogs having loss of hair as in Colour Dilution Alopecia, while others which also have a similar dilution gene at work - Weimaraners for instance - don't have the same issues.

Hope this hasn't confused you even further :)

>Blood samples DO have to be taken for L2 and HC dna tests Tracey :o)>

lol senior moment Lelly.. thought ashsbt meant 'going in' to have the actual health tests done... forgot about the taking of blood bit :)

oh my lol confused.com im very intrigued now so will be doing alot of research so thanks for that link :) my pup is liver and white which from what i gather is very undesirable in this breed as they cant be shown her mum was fawn and brindle both parents have blue in their backrounds but as i dont know their full backrounds i can only assume one of the parents carry this colour ?

As an aside which Rabbits do/did you keep.  I used to show and breed Chocolate English.

There are a number of ex Rabbit fanciers here :)

:)  Oooh coat colour genetics, how you make my head hurt :)

I believe that the liver coat colour in SBT's is caused by a dilute recessive gene.  Same as the blue coat colour.  So essentially lots of dilute recessive genes going on there.

This link might be of interest.

http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.html

i breed mini lops brainless :) i currently only have 2 breeding does 1 beige 1 blue as im starting my own lines and have used a outside stud buck :)

colour genetics is so bloody difficult and gives me a headache thanks for that link x

When I showed there wre only Frendh Dwarf and English Lops, but that was early 80's.