hi there i have a 7 YO SBT and have just got a 8 week old sbt last night both are bitches my oldest is spayed , the pup is being quiet aggressive towards my older 1 , other people have said they had the same prob and it settled down she is in for a microchip and 1st vacc today so will be booking training but im slighty worried as someone has said she looks like a rednose pitbull :s as she is like a light choc colour, i never saw mam as i got her from someone who had bought her from the breeder but couldnt keep her is it possible to get a sbt this colour or is she likely to be a pbt  any advise appreciated

There is no way of knowing what her ancestory is unless she is Registered with the Kennel Club.
You have got whatever you saw realistically, pure bred cross bred,who knows? If you really wanted a pup who was genuinly a SBT then you should have done a little research and found a good caring breeder and got to know Mum at least. You must do the best you can for her and the chances are she is just being a wild pup. Pups can and do play very hard, if she came from a largish litter she is used to giving as good as she gets. Is your older bitch telling her off at all? She is the best one to put this little upstart in her place but if not then make sure the older girl gets some time out and a place she can get away from the nutty puppy untill the pup has settled a little.
Find a good treat based training class and start to teach the little madame her manners.
Aileen

Are you sure that this is 'aggression' proper, and not just extremely full-on play?  (Which may not be welcomed by the older dog?)

It would be extremely unusual to see aggression proper from an 8wk old puppy, unless it is fear-driven.

Extremely confident hard-players as puppies, need plenty of experience with older adult dogs which are well-socialised - not really contact with other puppies.  It can be quite traumatic for shyer puppies to be confronted by a hard-player like this, so when you're looking for sources of socialisation, I wouldn't recommend off leash play in class for her - you need to source suitable adult dogs as playmates, instead.

when i moved her away from my older dog she the bit my hand whilst still snarling and growling , after googling red nose pb she has the same colouring but sbt and pbt look the same as pups imo and thats my main concern if she is a pbt there cant possibly be a way i can keep her with the behaviour she has already expressed its playing on my mind alot my lesson has been learned about choosing a pup coz its cute i will never make that mistake again

How about contacting the breeder and taking it back to them?  She should only be leaving them at 8 weeks.
I'm amazed that anyone buys a puppy without seeing the Mother or the conditions that it was bred in.  The RSPCA had been running a campaign for surely about 20 years saying "Don't buy a puppy without seeing its Mother".

she wasnt from the breeder some idiot had bought her and got bored within a week im trying to track the breeder down as i type

and if im honest i wouldnt listen to any of the rubbish rspca spout they are worse than useless these days

and if im honest i wouldnt listen to any of the rubbish rspca spout they are worse than useless these days
I agree with you in many ways but their advice about not buying a puppy without seeing its Mother is MORE relevant now than it was 20 years ago.  These days anyone who owns a bitch thinks it is their right to produce puppies without any knowledge, or experience. :(

The person who you got it from must know where they bought the pup from?  To return it to them would certainly seem to be the best option and put any loss down to experience.

8 weeks old and already on its third owner - disgusting and I am wondering just how far this little scrap is going to get.

On a more practical level she is not being aggressive she was probably taken from the nest far to young and has never been taught how to behave, would let the older bitch tell her off and put her in her place she should do that better than you can.

What breed, who knows, probable not even the breeder who was no doubt just breeding for money.

Don't mean to sound heartless but you sound as if you are regreting you decision on getting a puppy.  If that's the case(and it doesn't make you a bad person to admit you've made a mistake!), then your best option would be to hand her into a RSPCA kennel.  Reason I say this is, her temprement will be tested and if found to be aggressive, she will get corrective training and placed in the best possible home.  All the homes are vetted too.  I know you don't hold out much regards for them but RSPCA is your best port of call for this puppy.  Don't let her get passed from pillar to post, she's had enough homes allready.

May I suggest that before making any rash decisions that you may regret that you put some more thought in to obedience classes with your new puppy first?  I have raised an Akita and a Tibetan Mastiff and both are as soft as you can possibly imagine.  Whilst both of the breeds are considered 'aggressive' they both have gone through a strict upbringing and both have obtained their bronze and silver KCGCS obedience awards.  Investing the time and money in to a good and reputable class will pay off dividends in the long run.  Certainly now is the time to start the ever important socialising, ESPECIALLY OFF LEAD or in the very least on a long and loose lead.  We humans don't speak dog (of course) therefore your little one needs to start learning some manners and learning them now.  What better way to learn doggy manners that by other doggies.  He/she is going to get grumbled at and told off but that is all a part of it.  I would never condone putting any dog in a dangerous situation, they need to learn from calm and happy dogs for themselves to become calm and happy but this is something they need to learn from dogs as well as you.  Don't let your puppy rule the roost, remember to be firm and fair but you are the leader, always.  Good luck, don't give up just yet!  Get out to that doggy park and get yourself a good class and you will be a happy person.  BTW - even if your puppy is part PBT it doesn't mean that he will grow up to be nasty, he will turn out a shining member of society given a good chance and strong leader. 

There is no point in guessing what the pup is, you won't know until it is fully grown and even then you probably won't know.......... so many SBT crosses around, if it is a Pitbull it is illegal, if in your heart you feel it is a Pitbull hand it over to the RSPCA better now than have it seized as an adult. I wouldn't have even taken the pup without knowing what it was, that is why you should have got a KC reg at least you know what it is?

SBT's are not known for always being great with the same sex of their own breed, I personally would not have got another bitch, you may have future problems you may not........ again, it will be a guessing and waiting game on how the characters will miss or match.

Puppies are vicious they bite, scratch, drag, pull and have large bursts of energy, your older girl is in the firing line for rough play and being harassed to death, if you keep this pup she needs somewhere to escape, the pup needs to spend it's time playing with you, bonding with you and most importantly being trained by you, Ian Dunbars The Bite Stops Here needs implementing immediately and your older girl needs to teach the pup doggie manners under your supervision, she may tolerate the pup for now, but one day she will not, you will also have the worry of the hierarchy perhaps changing, I strongly suggest that you get books on dog behaviour so that you can spot any signs and know how to cope with them. Don't go into this blindly you can do more harm than good.

Your pup is behaving like a pup, whether a Pitball or SBT or SBT x, it will play the same, it's just that one is illegal..................

PBT's are illegal in this country, you may not breed them HOWEVER you if you believe you truly have one you can keep it by registering it with the poice, having it tattooed and microchipped, taking it to obedience classes and not allowing it in public off lead (ever) or unmuzzled.  If you do have a PBT it does not mean the puppy will be destroyed it means you have to be a responsible owner and have it police registered.  Indeed you must start teaching your pup some manners now, and I agree that having two same sex BT's was not maybe the best way to go but it is not to say it wont work out to be a happy and peaceful house hold if you put the work in to make it so.  Get reading, training and socializing now.  Work hard and all can be well.  Its up to you if you have the time and patients to do it.  If you really dont then do what is best for all concerned, if you do then start now as you mean to go on. Nothing is impossible and puppies, whatever breed are like sponges, they learn so quickly so positive experiences coupled with firm handling is a great way to ensure you get the full grown dog you hope for. 

no i dont regret getting her ,she is booked in for 1st vaccination and microchip at 4pm and starts puppy obedience classes next thursday whatever her breed i bought her and will not give up just because of a small problem that can possibly be fixed , i knew it wouldnt be plain sailing her reaction to my older dog just took me by suprise she understands no when she is mouthing myself or husband and stops almost immediatly and she is going outside to use the toilet so imo she can deffo be worked with , the lady i got her from is almost certain her mum WASNT a PBT but for her to be the colour she is (her dam was the same colour dad a brindle) there must be PBT in there somewhere or at least some kind of cross , i couldnt return her as the "breeder" could sell her on to god knows who where she would most likely be used for breeding or worse at least here she will be treat as part of the family and spayed when shes old enough

Good for you!  Looks like the best start for your little girl is well under way.  Im pleased that you are happy to put the work in and that she starts classes very soon.  Have fun with her, puppies are so funny but such hard work!! 

panic over i have managed to get hold of the breeder who has sent over pics of mum, mum with the litter and pics of dad they are not PBT , mum is a light fawn colour and dad is a dark brindle (who was bred from blue and brindle ) obv something to do with genetics has caused her colour as she was the only one in the litter this colour all the others were fawn brindle and black and white , i have bought a housetraining lead for her to stop her play fighting with my other dog as advised by the puppy training lady so she learns how to behave around my children ect any advice on the best way to use it maximum time ect thanks for all ur replys so far its much appreciated

ashsbt:

>when i moved her away from my older dog she the bit my hand whilst still snarling and growling ,

This is not necessarily direct aggression, but more a redirection of frustration:  She can no longer reach the older dog, who she wanted to play with, and this causes frustration which gets redirected onto the nearest available thing (you!).  Obviously not desirable or ideal, but certainly not to be worried about as an indication that she will grow into an aggressive adult. 

With pups like this, I usually suggest owners have lots of big stuffed toys, which can be shoved into puppy's mouth when they get bitey and are unable to concentrate on your response.  (Saying 'ow' can only work when they are able to focus enough to realise they have had an impact on someone.  When they are really worked up, this is impossible.) 

Also, do judge the individual dog and not the breed.  Even if she were a PB this doesn't necessarily mean anything.  And even if she is a SBT, that doesn't necessarily mean she'll be ok either. 

Please make sure that your class is with an APDT reg trainer and that they use reward-based methods and no punishment, scruffing, shouting, leash correcting or anything else like that.

Finally:  Do ensure that she has contact with ADULT dogs which are well-socialised, as I suggested above.  Preferably ones which don't tolerate rude puppies, but also are not overly harsh with their responses either.

thanks for that advise its been very helpful and i would never allow any of my animals to be scruffed or made to feel scared surely that would cause more trouble i will update in a few months on how things are going and thanks again x

An incidental comment: The RSPCA will NOT take in dogs handed over to them by members of the public these days!

I'm not totally sure but I think that may be a head office policy - the local, smaller independently run and financed branches may still take dogs in.  I'm sure I remember reading that not long ago.

WHAT!!?? If that is indeed the case, what a sorry state of affairs......:(

> WHAT!!?? If that is indeed the case, what a sorry state of affairs.

Yep, same with most cat and dog homes, they will wait till the dog is abandoned before taking it in :-(

yep i foster for a cat rescue and we had a cat that was litterally close to death the owner had staved it vet said he had less than a week to live he spent 6 weeks in intensive care we get no funding so had to find the money ourselves , when we contacted rspca and explained they promised to get back to us THEY NEVER  so we rang non stop for a week when we finnaly got a phone call back the lady said they hadnt returned our calls as they thought we wanted them to take the cat !!!!!!!!!! al we wanted was them to come take pics and prosecute the "owner" since then i have no faith in them at all , oh then there was the time they sent us a heavily pregnant female wich turned out to be a un-neutered male in the later stages of kidney and liver failure he was swollen as his stomach was filled with puss ! his "bits" were huge they obv never even confirmed it was a female