Arrghh - SO annoyed.

I check the add sites every now and then for my breed so that I can offer help from welfare etc,report anything blah blah - tonight I have seen an add for a stud dog - they have a bitch about to come into season and are looking for a male Newf - or St Bernard (!!!) - she is (of course) of excellent type but has no papers!

I emailed her,was not horrible - just pointed out the costs involved and dangers and said if all she wanted was a pup she'd be better to buy one.

The reply was awful! she said she had been health tested,but didnt need to tell me the scores,that breeders are all con men as the one who sold her to her charged £800 without papers £1200 with.

I pointed out this is the reason she should not breed from her - as there was no reason the breeder should have done this other than them having no papers - and round and round we go.She is now reporting me . . .and will undoubtably breed :-( GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I see some awful things in my breed too,posted about one a few days back, I did not get a reply from the owner of this ad others in dachsie circles have her card marked.

Some don't take advice that is given to benefit the dog. She obviously has £ signs in her eyes but with unregistered pups she will be lucky to get £500 per pup, lets hope she doesn't find a stud owner willing to comply with her wishes.

Imagine being unable to rehome pups of that size and keeping them longer than 8 weeks.

Wow... how valuable these magical papers are!
£400 - and that's nothing to say they wouldn't be endorsed. Or from Disney Dog Lovers Club. No wonder so many people dislike and diss the KC, when a piece of paper is worth that much!!! Goodness, you could buy another dog with the money saved... :(

I bet people charge that much more because they count on buyers NOT being prepared to pay it, and then they won't have to admit they cannot register the pups! After all, who would say no to an extra £13?!

> I bet people charge that much more because they count on buyers NOT being prepared to pay it

Well, precisely!
I could have a non-reg bitch, breed to a non-reg dog, then say pups will not have papers but an extra £400 will secure. On the few occasions someone wants the papers I can quickly register the litter with Disney Lovers Registration Club (verified sire & dam details not required) and voila! Papers. Of sorts.

Nice little earner.

same here a lady of fb was asking for a stud dog for her dog which where not the same breed, i asked her why she wanted to breed and where the dogs both tested she said that as they where not the same breed being bred together that health tests did not matter then about an hour later she asked how many times a year a bitch should come into season, and someone told her that their bitch comes in once a year and she replied oh i will have to mate her when she comes in if it is only once a year,told her that i have bitches come in every nine months so once  a year, and also a one that goes no longer than 6 months to the date of the last one, i also said if you work have you got someone that can help bring up the pups and she replied that i seem to be picking on her for wanting a litter when everyone else seems to be having pups and making money and that the mother brings the pups up so that will not be a problem, makes me want to scream .

The only other thing that you can point out is that there are many many litters out there that aren't sold.
I know of three litters in different breeds, litter of 8 pups only 2 sold, litter of Dallies none sold, litter of vizla's none sold....
Now I don't personally know the owners of the Dallies nor the Vizla's.

Point out the average litter size for both breeds and then ask can they really afford to keeep all pups past 8 weeks old
if they don't sell?? As some are having to consider that prospect even now....plus in the current economic climate St Bernards
or Newfs aren't exactly cheap to keep/feed so people may also be considering if they can afford such a pup...

Unfortunately you can't educate some people no matter how hard you try.
But you can bet your last pound it won't be their fault that they are in such a predicament, and they will expect someone else
to pick up the pieces and still have their cake and eat it.

Think that's bad? I saw someone offering an 8 yr old St bernard bitch free. I could've cried :(

and that the mother brings the pups up so that will not be a problem,

Well she's in for a shock, isn't she!!!

that is what i thought but you just cannot tell people can you they just see the money that can be made what money that is what i would like to know!

And who is she reporting you to- the Chairman of Cloud Cuckoo Land!. These are the sort of people who are out there breeding for profit.

In truth you could spend your life addressing such adverts. I know I could in my breed, I see stud dogs advertised, no health testing, no KC reg, on offer to "any small breed" (sometimes they say, so long as they are up to date with their jabs lol). A picture will accompany the Ad, showing a dog that barely resembles the breed (and sorry, is pig ugly), but dog will be described as being "a stunning example of the breed - as you can see from the photo".....

>In truth you could spend your life addressing such adverts.

Spot on!  It's why I do my utmost to avoid reading them.  All I do is get wound up about it.  And for what?  Because these people could care less about what we think.

and that the mother brings the pups up so that will not be a problem

Goldmali, that's exactly what a horse-breeding neighbour of mine said to me...this was just after she told me I'd made a big mistake having 3 dogs, that I should have got two bitches and made money selling puppies. and that the mother does all the work...!!!!!! I felt like the model in the Edvard Munch painting "The Scream"

a guy at club is going to breed his labradoodle as she is a brillaint speciman of the breed,i tend to avoid him at club as i got so fed up trying to change his mind , he works full time and is not going to take anytime off work to bring the pups up , he has no one to go into the house while he is at work to sort the pups out so now it is better to avoid him and keep my blood pressure at a decent level

OMG judgedredd, let's see how he gets on assuming the poor pups and dam survive the first three weeks--his house will be a nightmare by the time he comes home and the pups will be absolutely covered in muck, poor things. He'll be the one going to the GP for blood pressure problems. What a selfish idiot. And the poor bitch, how very sad.

I had better luck with the potential stud dog owner I posted below. She says she is going to get her dog Activity Registered and do all the relevant tests. When I asked her if she knew what the average hip score was for our breed, she found out and came back with the right answer, so maybe some hope there? It is generally pretty hopeless though when you try to educate people through these adverts. I just emailed someone who had some very white merle pups for sale and suggested she get them hearing tested (they don't even need to be registered for that). No need, came back the reply. I responded that there was a need as she would not be able to tell by herself if, say, a pup were deaf in one ear - you need the equipment to determine that. The lack of response to this was, ironically, deafening.

I dont look at the puppy sites often as i get so angry but after reading this thread..

I randomly picked out a breed, one puppy on its own priced £1450, has been reduced by £200 as it has a hernia and the vet says will cost a 100 to fix !!  Both parents have titles so i did a search and they are both males !!

She spouted off that all her friends are having a pup - and then blocked me.

What makes it worse is we have someone now from our own breed annoyed with us for speaking to her! saying we have now made it impossible for the woman to seek help ! app we should just be there to 'pick up the pieces' not annoy them and make things worse ????!!! grrrrr

a friend's parents bought a yorkie puppy and she was £250 without papers or £750 with.  They were told that she had 2 litters at the same time so could register her with either bitch but only 1 bitches litter could be registered this time and as they were both big litters she wouldn't be able to run them on together.

My friends mum instead of seeing that the KC try to protect the bitch by limiting litter numbers, age and back to back breeding decided she was getting a complete bargain and that the KC were con men. 

I was livid and tried explaining it to her but she said as she was just a pet it didn't matter as they only need health tests for showing :(

I hate it when people say just a pet as surely its the most important thing.  You don't say just a child, just a husband, just a mother.......

Isn't it better to stop the pregnancy happening than deal with the fall out afterwards, are these folk who are ticked off at you going to take in the unsold pups etc. this happens on all breed specific forums, I have been told my expectations are too high and I couldn't expect others to be the same and then been threatened with being banned for speaking out, didn't stop me having my say.

> but she said as she was just a pet it didn't matter as they only need health tests for showing :-(

That's an interesting one. I wonder how the GP got the idea that dogs being shown need tests and others don't?

I wonder how the GP got the idea that dogs being shown need tests and others don't?

Yes, MYSTERY isn't it!! (Miss that rolling eyes smiley!) Somebody COULD have had the chance to tell them that even a pure PET needs to be HEALTHY, but somehow I don't think that will happen.

That's what the collie puppy farmer in Boston says on her ads (which run all year round of course as she's always got multiple litters or selling the adults for whatever reason - she charges virtually same price for an adult as her puppies!). Her adults/pups don't need to be tested because they're not show dogs (and the KC would charge her £200 to register each puppy. Unbelievable)

Oh is that the one with all the different colours, and prices according to how rare they are? I remember that site stated there is no need to health test dogs that aren't show dogs. What rubbish. I calculated they had something like 13 litters a year -talk about an income. I would have thought anyone stating such a blatant lie about registration costs though could be had by trading standards.

I would imagine the local council would be interested in her as would the tax man!! Hit them where it hurts! No point in trying to educate this type of person they know exactly what they are doing and will not be told otherwise.

There are so many designer crosses around me it hurts!! All with mad mixed up names,if you're going to invent a new breed at least think of an orignal name. Some breeders are even boasting aboutthe health checks done on the pedigrees used which is odd to me. Odd to meabout how they boast about the champion lines of the sires etc why bother?? None of the second generation breeding bitches are tested, and now I'm seeing labradoodles and cockerpoos with wonky walks and soooo tiny some of them I dread to think what's coming next. And all for the cheap priceof a grand!!! A grand!! I could get 2 dogs for that health checked the works!!

Just thought of a great way to make money...take dogs out of rescues and sell them on with silly names!! Why do it the hard way give the public what they want!! D'oh!!