Pedigree Dogs Exposed - three years on - is confirmed for Monday 27 February on BBC Four at 9.00-10.00pm

http://coldwetnose.blogspot.com/2012/02/waiting-is-almost-over.html

Wonder why they dont make as much fuss about all these puppy farms as they do about pedigree Dog,,, pee's me right off that these places still get license's from the council's when we have such an overload of unwanted dogs in the country as it is,,  

I don't want to watch it, pedigree dogs exposed 1 was vile, less than honest, sensationalist junk. I will end up watching it no doubt, in the slight off chance its a good fair program but I highly doubt that will happen.

Well the good news is the channel is one nobody watches and the timing on a week night means even less people will watch I'm sure. Other than that I expect more of the same.

> Well the good news is the channel is one nobody watches and the timing on a week night means even less people will watch I'm sure. Other than that I expect more of the same.

Just out of curiosity what is BBC4's target audience anyway? I am a R4 listener but only very rarely do I find something on BBC4 worth watching. I always thought BBC4 was meant to be a sort of TV version of R4 - in which case I can't see why PDE2 is going to on there sandwiched between the opera and highbrow documentaries. BBC3 is much more fun and at least retains R4's sense of humour.

Of course if they were going to feature puppy farming then I would be hoping for Channel 4 at the very least....

The only thing I have EVER watched on BBC4 is the proper Swedish version of Wallander. :) I check listings all the time but never find anything I'd like to watch. It's basically a lot of repeats. I have heard a rumour that the Swedish/Danish series "The bridge" will come to BBC soon so assume it will be BBC4, then I will watch again LOL.

Everyone who watches it will give her a ratings boost which in turn will encourage both her and the BBC to make PDE3. I will definitely not be watching. Had the responsible and caring breeders got a mention in PDE 1 I think she might have got more support. Since the programme was aired all it has done is polarize peoples thoughts, those who support her and those who are sick of her pedigree breeder bashing, and this as much as anything now holds back the very changes she says she wants.

> Everyone who watches it will give her a ratings boost which in turn will encourage both her and the BBC to make PDE3.

Doesn't work like that - it's not like 'hits' to a website, they can't tell what channel you're watching on your normal home TV.

TV is rated by deliberately sampling a number of people with their permission and monitoring what they watch, and basing their calculations on that.

They have no way of knowing otherwise, unless you are on a cable subscription - but that would not represent the average non-cable majority viewer anyway.

I suspect everybody who says they won't watch it will as I think curiosity will win over :-)

I will watch it with an open mind and make my own conclusions as I did in PDE 1 which I thought like many on here was an unbalanced view and did not taking into consideraction the positive sides of what is being done to improve the health of dogs by proper representation and non sensationalisation .

If it is done in the same way then it is up to people to still campaign and educate about the good that is being done across many organisations and breeders.

Since the programme was aired all it has done is polarize peoples thoughts, those who support her and those who are sick of her pedigree breeder bashing, and this as much as anything now holds back the very changes she says she wants.

My thoughts exactly Polly - if she's serious about making any changes she needs to get breeders 'on side' not be constantly sticking pins into them for the enjoyment of hearing them squeal !! - will  I be watching? - well yes I guess so -  curiosity will get the better of me !!

Yvonne

>Well the good news is the channel is one nobody watches

BBC4 shows some excellent historical documentaries - we watch it more than BBC1. :-)

JG Yes, I also think it has good stuff- lots of old Arenas that are so good they should be repeated and the Storyville strand is also excellent.

Like you Goldmali, I love the original Swedish Wallander. But didn't you watch The Killing (Sara Lund); Spiral (French crime drama); Borgen (Danish political drama series)? All BBC4 and all, in my humble opinion , some of the best viewing to be be had.

Still a big step down in the popualrity stakes form the original airing on BBC1, skimmed through the article about it in Dogs Today while in the supermarket (no longer buy the mag.) and was amazed to see that words such as "unarguable" about some of the more contentious points of PDE1! How can something be classed as unarguable when it has been argued over for several years!  The article did make quite a big thing (think in the responses from the online version) that people are confidently expecting the KC to make a big PR disaster about this one too.  I was surprised to see one sentence which claimed to be puzzled at the KC's refusal to take part in PDE2.  I think they have been pretty clear about reasons for not appearing.

MsTemeraire,

How do all these programs like say Xfactor (sorry first one I thought of :-) ) say that 9 million watched the opening show etc then? Surely that can't just be from cable users and we are always hearing that X show was 2 million viewers down or up, how do they get those figures then? It is always the morning after a show too, that the figures are released.

Surely if it were only based on a number of people with permission and cable users at least one of us would have been asked by now?

That doesn't make sense to me???  :-)

Like you Goldmali, I love the original Swedish Wallander. But didn't you watch The Killing (Sara Lund); Spiral (French crime drama); Borgen (Danish political drama series)? All BBC4 and all, in my humble opinion , some of the best viewing to be be had.

No with me it's all that it's so nice to be able to watch something in my OWN language for a change. :)

BBC4 shows some excellent historical documentaries - we watch it more than BBC1. :-)

I hope you're in the minority then -for the best possible reasons! :)

> how do they get those figures then? It is always the morning after a show too, that the figures are released.
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Thousands of home tvs are wired to monitor the viewing habits af a wide based selection of the population. The people are paid of course.
The statistical sample are chosen from a wide cross section of the British viewing public.
Polls at random are conducted and the data used to give a fair representative picture of our vieing habits.
http://www.barb.co.uk/about/faq

There are online surveys as well, although I am not sure if that just takes into account the views of what you watched or counts as statistics as well. I fill in a survey every day to say what I watched the previous day on TV, and I have done this for years.

Blimey, when you look at something like the royal wedding, the millions they reported viewing it............... gulp, so they are not really true figures then, only really a % of the views, shock, horror, there's me thinking they are true figures.

Well, I've never been contacted or anyone I know, I learn something new everyday. :-)

With 26+ million households to chose from not surprising weve never been asked :-)

:-D :-D :-D Guess not, how great though to be paid for someone to just view what you are watching, not opposed to that, in fact I wonder why they don't just do it with all of us anyway? Really not bothered if people know what I'm watching. :-)

I am on the BARB panel and I couldn't believe how they calculate the viewing figures, they look at what i tend to watch then assume that so many people in the same demographic group will be watching the same thing !. We don't get paid for doing it but we do get vouchers which can be used in certain big retailers, so far I've got my Dyson, Bissell carpet cleaner and Kindle on the vouchers, so not bad for pushing a button now and then.

The only down side is I do watch what I'm looking at so for instance I make sure Mr Milan's pile of poop program is never on and I'll have to watch PDE 2 on-line so I don't give it any viewing figures.  

I have been enjoying if walls could talk on bbc4, only thing I've ever watched on it though lol

Interesting, never heard of the barb before but had an idea something like this was used to estimate viewing figures.
I don't want to watch the latest PDE propaganda as I know it will rile me just like the first one did and I also don't want to add to the viewing figures... but at the same time, part of me wants to see what anti pedigree dog drivel they have come up with this time !
Have to lol at it being downgraded to BBC 4 though !!!

I'll be watching it - know your enemy, eh!

Very true Lucy !

I shall watch it and with an open mind.  I am perfectly prepared to criticise something, wouldn't you know :), but I do think it is wrong to prejudge. Who knows :)

> I do think it is wrong to prejudge

How about "breed, not deed"!!  Or do you only have an open mind sometimes ;-)

These breeds are not an unknown quantity, we judge them on what we know about them and their history.

>These breeds are not an unknown quantity, we judge them on what we know about them and their history.

Sorry, I'm confused now - are we talking dogs, or journalists?

:-D

I'm not going to watch as it'll send my blood pressure sky high, looking at 'deed not breed' I find it difficult to imagine that the programme could be much different to the first :(

JH isn't exactly an unknown quantity though is she :-p

> JH isn't exactly an unknown quantity though is she

True, but her previous programme did have a few truths in amongst the inbalance, the diservices and over sensationalism so I am waiting to see.

> True, but her previous programme did have a few truths in amongst the inbalance, the diservices and over sensationalism

There's an old saying: "Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day."

Don't think i'll watch it, it will probably go along the lines of saying the K C have bought in all the changes thanks to her first film, a bit of well done pat on the back with one hand and then several knife blows to the back with the other, just so she can say there its a balanced film :-p

"There's an old saying: "Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day."

Quite. Any truths in the programme will be lost amongst all the anti pedigree dog propaganda.

As Eric Morcambe said " it had all of the right notes...but not neccessarily all in the right order".

Theres been a HUGE change in take up of health testing in my breed, perhaps not entirely for the right reason, but never mind its giving us more data to work with.
There are still many who will fight tooth and nail to keep things as they were, not always because it was ok but rather it suited them.
The down side was - of course - the demonising of breeders to the point that we are probably seen as the estate agents of the animal world.
No matter what JH says... and Ive heard one point made repeatedly by her cohorts.... " if youre doing it right you have nothing to worry about"......

I have been demonised too....and now being seen as a breeder who health tests because JH et al have shamed me into doing it .

Considering my breeding practises have not needed to change...I find this very galling :(

But Heh Ho, Ive got broad shoulders and can take it, if anything helps the health and welfare of dogs in the UK Im all for it......warts and all :)

I have been demonised too....and now being seen as a breeder who health tests because JH et al have shamed me into doing it .

Considering my breeding practises have not needed to change...I find this very galling :-(

:( Worst of all though, the only people that might have been shamed into testing are the show breeders, not the many back yard breeders or puppy farmers! Because we all know it is the SHOW breeders who have unhealthy dogs, don't we.......

"Theres been a HUGE change in take up of health testing in my breed, perhaps not entirely for the right reason, but never mind its giving us more data to work with."

Having spoken to a KC genetist, I have to agree wholeheartedly. I have concerns here (in relation to the gene pool) , but won't air them publicly - you never know who is reading ;-) 

heehee my mum used to say to me as a kid when i asked her how they new how many people where watching a tv show,, "its the serge of electricity that happens during the ads  or after the show from everyone getting up to make a cuppa tea lolol,,,

She is not too far wrong :) I can remember from my days working in the power generation indistry that they do take note of programmes that are likely to be popular when placing stations on standby so they certainly will have a record of the ensuing surge to help them calculate future demand.

Dill,

I may be completely wrong but I've a hunch that the bulk of the 'new' programme will simply rerun much of the first and then an update will be tacked on the end and it'll probably be to show how the KC have 'updated' themselves, which breeds have 'improved' and which still have work to do. I doubt it'll be completely new material.

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/pnyt7/pedigree-dogs-exposed-three-years-on

Will I be watching her programme?  Probably, but it's a sure bet that she'll be watching us at CD for our reactions - I'd prefer not to give her any more airtime.  The way in which she pleads that she was hounded after the last programme without acknowledging that some of that blame lies with her and the way she handled the story is another example of self interest.  She constantly came on here, both before and after the programme was aired, to poke us with a stick.  Firstly to get information for her piece then to keep it in the public gaze.

I don't have issues with all of her content, I agree with some of it, but I have severe reservations about the way she goes about her research AND the presentation of the information she finds.  However it's her personal view - and she's entitled to it. 

Whether I watch or not I will not be drawn into any further discussion about it on here.  I'd love it if no one said anything at all - let her film pass by unnoticed and unacknowledged - now that might surprise her, she'd have no one to quote !!

I'd love it if no one said anything at all - let her film pass by unnoticed and unacknowledged - now that might surprise her, she'd have no one to quote !!

It's a good point. When PDE was shown in Sweden basically it was ignored, so nothing came out of it. It's long forgotten.

I'd love it if no one said anything at all - let her film pass by unnoticed and unacknowledged - now that might surprise her, she'd have no one to quote !!

Call me cynical if you like, but I've a funny feeling that would NEVER be allowed to happen here ;) 

Lets face it, there'd be little controversy if the film had been about puppy farming, which is why it's a different subject in the first pace ;)

but it's a sure bet that she'll be watching us at CD for our reactions

Do you know I just really, really hope that we may all get a pleasant (nice) surprise and that in her being on here for reactions and information over the past years will not have been a negative thing but a way to give a more even representation of the pedigree dog world.

We can only hope and I shall watch it sometime in the hope that something has been learnt to help pedigree dogs and set apart which types of breeders should be used.

I'm going to be positive for now............................ after the show you can all hurl bricks at me for being so optimistic. :-D :-D

We can live in hope but won't be holding my breath.

anyone else seen this? http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pedigree-Dogs-Exposed-Three-Years-On/181788255265430

It has appeared on a few doggy related pages already.

I've also seen the RSPCA's blog about the criteria for buying a pedigree dog, questions one should ask of a breeder. I only wish they applied the same diligence to their 'Freedom foods' scheme.

They are quite right in stating a good breeder will ask prospective buyers lots of questions. However a few years back a breeder got lamblasted in one of the popular dog magazines, for refusing to sell a puppy to a family who visited and whose children misbehaved. The Magazine decided to find the prospective puppy buyer a more reasonable breeder....Personaly I applauded the breeder who thought enough of her pups to refuse a sale and my magazine subscription was not renewed.

> anyone else seen this?

I'm not sure why you are giving her more publicity.

"When PDE was shown in Sweden basically it was ignored, so nothing came out of it. It's long forgotten."

Interesting. I can see that being the case this time in the UK. Not just because it has been downgraded to BBC4 I might add.

the programe I would like to see is 'designer cross breds exposed'

dangerous unsuitable crosses promoted as latest fashionable macho accessory plus
idiotic lack of health checking and blatent lies with doodle crosses /handbag crosses