I no alot of people on here have alot of mixed views on Ceaser Millan, I cant comment as I have not really studied his work. But I came across a quote the othe day, thought it was 'spot on' and then noticed it was of him.

' In the '70's they blames the Doberman, in the '80's they balmed the german shepard, in the '90's they blamed the rottweiler, now they blame the pitbull, when will they blame the humans?'

I thought this statement is exactly spot on. Any1 else think so??

Yes I would say blame Cesar Millan -he has certainly caused a lot of problems for a lot of dogs........ :) But apart from that, it depends on how you see it. I would not say all dogs are always blameless, and it isn't always how they have been trained (or not), it is how they have been bred. That of course ultimately goes back to humans, but it does mean a dog can be dangerous even when in the hands of an owner that is trying to be responsible -it is not always the owner's fault, I don't subscribe to that saying at all. Temperament isn't 100 % learnt, it is genetic too.

Yes, I absolutely agree! To blame a dog's temperament fairly and squarely on the owner is, to me, reminiscent  of the bad old days when the behaviour of children with autism was considered to be the fault of the parents. Brains - both human and canine - are incredibly complex, and the slightest chemical or neurological malfunction can result in serious difficulties.

How, otherwise, can you explain how parents who have brought up other perfectly OK children, then go on to produce one who has behavioural problems? Similarly, many posters to this forum only have problems with one of their dogs....it's the perennial and unanswerable nature/nurture debate, of course. Both have an influence, but please, please, don't say it's always the owners at fault. :-)

> it's the perennial and unanswerable nature/nurture debate, of course. Both have an influence, but please, please, don't say it's always the owners at fault

Very true if you've inadvertantly bred or bought in a 'wonky' one.

Being kicked ( oops sorry he likes to call it 'flicked' I believe :-( ) in the soft groin area as a method of training by Mr Milan cant help in any case :-(

Yes I agree with the statement!  It's not aimed at individual owners but at 'people' in general always blaming dogs when it's people who breed them, have them as status dogs etc... it's the whole basis of the Dangerous Dogs Act!  There are excellent natured and trainable dogs of all breeds even pit bulls - lovely dogs whose reputation is tarnished by the few who use them for their own purposes as status and fighting dogs.  We need to support individuals with difficult dogs but accept that it's not the breed it's 'people' in general who are the problem!

Agree Goldmali well pointed out.

At the end of the day it all comes down to human error and abuse from breeding errors - wrong ownership and understanding of a breed errors - training errors, it just so happens the Bull breeds are the 'in thing' at the moment and being mostly abused by man, that is the only continuum.

I dare say there will soon be another, and another and another....................