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Topic Dog Boards / Showing / Withdrawing rule check
- By Gemma86 [im] Date 22.01.12 19:45 UTC
Can some body kindly check the rules regarding withdrawning a dog after it's already been in a class.
Eg, shown in puppy, placed vhc, withdrawn from junior.

Is this ok or against some kind of rule? Don't see how it can be against the rules, no one can force you to take your dog in.
- By Dawn-R Date 22.01.12 20:02 UTC
Hi Gemma, you can't withdraw from breed classes, if you do you cannot compete further. i.e. you can't go in for Best of Sex if you win one class and withdraw from another.

You can withdraw from variety classes, i.e. stakes classes at Champ Shows to remain unbeaten and elligable for best of sex. You can also withdraw from variety classes at Open shows if you win Best of Breed, to remain elligable for Best in Show. So in the circumstances you describe, yes you can withdraw, you don't have to go in the second class.

Dawn R.
- By Gemma86 [im] Date 22.01.12 20:07 UTC
I am on about breed classes, I can't see why you can't withdraw if you were unplaced or only got vhc in the previous class. I know if you win you must go in the 2nd class but if you didn't then does it matter?
- By Dawn-R Date 22.01.12 20:08 UTC
You can!

Dawn R.
- By Gemma86 [im] Date 22.01.12 20:10 UTC
Thanks Dawn, very much appreciated :)
- By Dawn-R Date 22.01.12 20:16 UTC
You're welcome. :)

Dawn R.
- By Nova Date 22.01.12 20:38 UTC
You can withdraw at any time even if you are in the ring you can ask to withdraw. The only thing to remember is once withdrawn you can not do any more classes or enter a challenge.

For example if you enter Minor Puppy, puppy and maiden then you can't withdraw from puppy and then go into maiden and if you won minor puppy you can't challenge for best puppy in breed if you have withdrawn from puppy.
- By Gemma86 [im] Date 22.01.12 20:54 UTC
Thanks Nova, really appreicate the prompt responses.
My good friend who is new to showing withdrew her puppy from junior as she also had a junior in the class and her partner couldnt handle the pup and as she'd only got a vhc thought it was ok to withdraw, once junior was over (which she won) as the crit was being written up a load of people marched up and started complaining about how it was against the rules for her to have withdrawn the puppy and some wouldnt let it drop, it reduced her to tears :(

Makes me wonder why we do this hobby!
- By Brainless [gb] Date 22.01.12 21:02 UTC
If you win classes with both dogs or end up with two dogs in a class you just ask someone if they will handle for you.

On Thursday I won Junior and Post Grad with my puppy and Veteran with Grandma.  I asked a friend (after checking she wasn't going to be judging the breed  in the next 12 months ;) ) to handle the older bitch in the challenge.

The superior handling netted the older girl the Best bitch and CC award.  I then considered it only fair to let her continue her good work and go in the BOB challenge, which she also won.

I don't see why the other exhibitors got snarky, unless it meant there were too few in the class for Junior warrant points (but then she would have counted as being present for counting numbers for that as the rule says for the JW that a dog entered in a class will count if it was withdrawn but had been shown in an  earlier class, so no-one can sabotage someones points.
- By Nova Date 22.01.12 21:08 UTC
Ah, Gemma there is a cross section in dog showing as there is in life, ignore the unpleasant, most will be encouraging and helpful.

Just stewarded at a Championship show and every class someone would come up and with draw something  so it is normal and usual. Think strictly by the rules you are supposed to tell the show secretary but most people just tell the steward and some do not bother to even do that. It is nice if you do tell the steward because it has to be marked as withdrawn and not as absent but apart from that you can withdraw when it suits you or your dog to do so.
- By Gemma86 [im] Date 22.01.12 21:09 UTC
No there was no sabotage as she is chasing the final points for her bitch so it was in her interest to have enough dogs in the class

She's just had a hard time of it lately after having alot of nice wins............jelously is a horrid thing!
- By japmum [gb] Date 22.01.12 21:46 UTC
sounds like a case of sour grapes amongst some of your friends fellow exhibitors!
It is hard not to feel down in such circumstances but your friend should take heart as those she beat with her other dog obviously feel threatened and saw a good dog and had resort to underhand techniques. At least she now knows who to avoid!

Also there are lots of nice people around but as in anything which involves competition some folk take badly to newcomers who do well
- By dogs a babe Date 22.01.12 22:49 UTC
Those that moaned might not have understood why she was withdrawing (was her partner suddenly unable to handle the puppy?).  They may also have thought that the reduction in numbers would result in them losing points for something.

Either way it's a good idea to know the rules for any scenario you might find yourself in - if only to politely explain them to the moaners! :)
- By Nova Date 22.01.12 22:56 UTC
Those that moaned might not have understood why she was withdrawing

And why should they it is none of their business. There can be any number of reasons to withdraw and some you may wish to keep to yourself.
Topic Dog Boards / Showing / Withdrawing rule check

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