Dave the kitten is now a fully fledged youth and don't we know it !

He has gone from a sweet kitten into a food eating feisty little boy !

He is best mates with all the dogs especially Moose who he spends time cleaning and plays with Stinky ( female neutered 4 yr old) and is trying to make friends with Pokes but that is wip !

We still have the litter tray which he is using but he is still peeing and pooing in the lounge. It has all been cleaned with bio washing liquid and I have bought some feliway spray which I am using I'm the areas around where he is going. He is been put outside as much as possible but he is refusing to use the cat flap and even after spending a few hour outside after he has eaten he comes back in and either uses the litter tray or the floor.

I have now decided to put down tin foil anywhere he has gone ( looks a bit scifi in the house at the mo ! ) in the hope it will discourage him.

Has anybody tried this method and so you think spaying will help as haven't had this problem with the two girls ?

Has he been castrated? If not I'd get it done pdq or your house will smell; once they start spraying they can be very difficult to stop. He'll be a lot more affectionate afterwards as well.

Agree JG - cats can't be trained like a dog and will spray where it wishes, would think in it's mind it is making sure the dogs know he is now mature and any female in the area is his property.

However if the cat is neutered then I think you have a problem and I don't know what to suggest apart from making an outside den for him but even then the smell will seep into your home and that of any other in the area.

He is only five months old so will vets do it before six months as really want to nip this in the bud

We'll do kittens at 6 months or 2kg, whichever is earlier.

Would think so he is long past being able to father a litter and will be mature. Cats really are not the same as dogs and mature much younger.

I am not a cat specialist but I am sure that they are "done" much younger than this and that those who do specialise in cats would never keep an intact cat with other female cats or indeed if used at stud not in the house - no doubt it can be done but I would not do so with a pet cat.

He is over 2 kg now so hopefully it will be fine. He is booked in on Friday for the chop !

Lucy, I had "The Jedwards" neutered at a little under 6 months as they were getting quite big (and I wanted to get them done before they had a chance to have their Wicked Ways with Mum ).  (Problem with having Mum done was that she was/is cat-fluey and we had to make sure that she wasn't in the throes of a cat flu attack when we wanted to get her "done" - all done now though!).

The Jedwards, unlike their mum, have turned into absolutely clean chaps .....funniest thing is when I'm changing the litter tray, they are both prancing about, crying etc, to be the first one to use the litter tray!

Get Dave done PDQ ...otherwise you will have Smelly Trouble (and a tidemark around the walls!)

Do you know if there are other male cats in the area ?. sometimes young un's will be to intimidated by an already dominant cat in the area, so won't want to announce their presence to the dominant animal by wee'ing outside.

As well as washing with the bio washing solution you need to use surgical spirits too. 

If he's peeing AND pooing in the lounge, it's not likely to be linked to his hormones. Spraying is quite different from normal peeing and is directed up against vertical surfaces. Pooing can in some cases be territorial but my gut feeling is that he's either feeling stressed, or has become confused about appropriate surfaces to eliminate on.

How many litter trays do you have, and how many cats? The rule of thumb is one per cat and one extra, as some cats in multi-cat households can intimidate others to prevent them using certain trays. Or he may be stressed about one of the other cats - something you probably haven't even noticed as cats are very good at pretending nothing is happening, the only signs being elimination in the wrong place/s.

Where is the tray he uses the most, sited? If you've moved it recently he may be objecting to that. Have you changed brand of cat litter lately? That might also put him off using the tray.

I would exclude him from the lounge completely if you can, and give it a thorough deep clean with appropriate odour eliminators. Only let him back in once you are satisfied he is using his tray normally again elsewhere. The problem is that once cats start pooing and peeing on certain surfaces (such as carpet or upholstery) they can develop a preference for those surfaces, so you may need to restrict him to areas without any of these surfaces for a while to 'retrain' him.

We only have one litter teat as the two girls go outside and won't use the tray.

He is having issues with Pokes as she is putting him in his place when he starts to try and play or get to the food. We have different places where food is available as well to avoid too much confrontation. The confrontation is reducing as they quite happily sleep on the dining chairs next to each other.

There are no males cats too near us and he hasnt gone out of the boundaries of the garden as tends to hang about to come back inside at any opportunity !

I will see how the foil works and once he is castrated if things calm down with Pokes.

It's also worth investing in a Feliway

I feel your pain my boy is now 13 and is still hit and miss with the tray.  In his case it always starts with a bladder infection, he seems to blame the tray for his pain so it is worth getting a sample for testing when you take him for his op, boys seem to be more prone than girls.

The type of toileting your boy's doing doesn't sound like marking, marking tends to be in prominate areas with lots of passers by, doorways, bottom of the stairs, front and back doors.  I don't think neutering will make him stop but it will eliminate that awful tomcat smell.

You don't say where you have his tray, he needs to be happy with where it is kept, somewhere quiet and private but with clear escape routes.  Try puting 3 or 4 around the house and see where he prefers then you can cut down again, if you have lots of carpet the puppy training pads are good to put underneath to catch any drips.