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- By zakysowner [ie] Date 09.11.11 14:36 UTC Edited 09.11.11 14:38 UTC
Ok so I know nothing about dogs and breeding, all I know is that my little jack russel is not neutered and is now spotting. I thought that meant that she was in the stage before heat where she does not allow dogs to mate with her but then I heard her whine and went out to find her tied to another dog, as in they were mating with their backs to one another. I was really worried because she was whining but they wouldnt let go. Does this mean that she is in fact in heat and she probably is going to have puppies? Or could she be hurt she seems fine now
- By Stooge Date 09.11.11 14:40 UTC Edited 09.11.11 14:43 UTC

> Does this mean that she is in fact in heat and she probably is going to have puppies?


Yes!  You need to take her immediately to the vets for a mismate injection.  I would not even contemplate allowing her to have this litter.  Even if she survives the birth (little jack russel, I'm guessing the sire is larger) and you can cope with the expense (probable cesaerian section), due to the financial situation and a better understanding by the public about responsible breeding, health screening etc, it is highly unlikely you would find responsible homes and they will probably end up being put to sleep anyway.
I hope you now understand that she must always be accompanied outside in the garden.
- By zakysowner [ie] Date 09.11.11 15:10 UTC
Does getting you dog neutered effect their mood/personality. We had been thinking of allowing our dog to have one litter of pups but after today I may get her neutered....(I have booked a missmatch injection with my vet thanks for your advice) we live in a rural area and my dog is used to being outside alot roaming around I try to keep her indoors while she is in heat but she finds ways to escape
- By Stooge Date 09.11.11 15:25 UTC

> I try to keep her indoors while she is in heat but she finds ways to escape


I am afraid you have to try harder for the rest of this season and any further seasons before neutering :).
If neutering a bitch changes their moods at all I would say it is for the better as they do not have fluctuation of hormones and they do not experience phantom pregnancies. 
There is absolutely no reason to allow her to have puppies.  Neither of you will benefit.
- By PennyGC [gb] Date 09.11.11 15:31 UTC
As long as she's physically and mentally mature when you have her neutered she shouldn't change at all - do it mid way between seasons for the most stable hormonal levels.  As others have said your bitch doesn't need to have pups, the world has more than enough dogs, you're putting her at risk for no benefits if you do make her have pups.  Better to have her neutered given her situation - much less worry for you :-)
- By Carrington Date 09.11.11 15:39 UTC
Does getting you dog neutered effect their mood/personality

As already stated by Stooge in bitches it can be a plus as no mood swings which some bitches do suffer from, I guess a little like us humans :-) Neutering a bitch stops hormones raging and also is a plus to avoiding mammary cancers and pyo two of the biggest killers in bitches. She also won't feel the need to escape and hunt for a mate, some bitches can become as frenzied as a male on the hunt after the that first season.

Dogs (male) can become affected personality wise by neutering, this is probably what you are basing your question on.

Weight can be gained and coat changes can happen to both sexes after neutering also.

In your position, for health reasons and not wishing to breed I certainly would have her neutered. :-)
- By Lexy [gb] Date 09.11.11 16:10 UTC
As you have said in your original post, that you know nothing about dogs or breeding that for me, far outways any reasons why you shouldnt get your bitch spayed.
You havent stated in your first post, the age of your bitch but I am assuming it is her first season?? This means she is anything from 6 to 12 months(correct me if I'm wrong) & that is deffinately too early for any litter.
Very pleased you have took the advise of others & booked her in the vets for a mis-mate injection. Book your bitch into the vets to be spayed in 3 months time(February).
- By Stevensonsign [gb] Date 09.11.11 16:22 UTC
and please note folks , neutering does not stop phantom pregnancies.
- By zakysowner [ie] Date 09.11.11 16:22 UTC
Thanks for everyones advise, all taken on board;)
- By lilyowen Date 09.11.11 16:26 UTC

> and please note folks , neutering does not stop phantom pregnancies.


??? how can it not stop phantoms? you are removing the hormones that cause them.
My girl used to have terrible phantoms and has completely stopped since being spayed
- By tillyandangel [gb] Date 09.11.11 16:30 UTC

> and please note folks , neutering does not stop phantom pregnancies.


can you please elaborate?

Of all my years dog owning i have never heard/known this.

I have heard that a vet can leave a small piece of tissue behind that can cause seasons and i would suspect phantoms but this is rare.
- By Rhodach [gb] Date 09.11.11 18:04 UTC
I have experience of one spayed female my Mums dachsie who had it done at 17 months old after fully recovering from surgery for a liver shunt at 8 months old, had to wait till her bloods returned to normal before she could have any more surgery,she went from being a very cuddly girl to one who only has a cuddle on her terms and soon let's you know she has had enough.

Her beautiful black and tan glossy coat has turned into the grey fluff down all 4 legs which is a magnet to any debris she may be passing, many asked me is she dappled and I show them the before pics and neither parent was dappled, others have said she just needs a good grooming, I even tried a furminator but never got it all out and it just grew back.

I didn't notice an age for your bitch but if this is her first season then she way to young for pups so get the injection and get her spayed 3 months later when all has gone back to normal and it is safer then too.

I can't see how a bitch who has had both ovaries and uterus removed can have phantom pregnancies as all the main hormones whIch trigger seasons have been removed. If the bitch has only had her tubes tied/cut then phantoms are possible but no eggs can reach the uterus/sperm so no pups are going to develop
And she can be treated as a phantom pregnancy.
- By Rhodach [gb] Date 09.11.11 18:40 UTC
Sorry mixed up two threads and too late to edit it out.
- By LucyDogs [gb] Date 09.11.11 22:07 UTC
Was that a long haired daxie? Spaying does do funny things to coated breeds, alas. But in the OP's case, I would add my vote for getting the mismate injection, then having her spayed in about 3 months time. They've said they are completely inexperienced in dogs and breeding and it just doesn't sound like a good idea to let her have puppies, specially not if this is indeed her first season. And if she's a short coated JR it won't change the coat. :-)
- By JeanSW Date 09.11.11 22:30 UTC

>and please note folks , neutering does not stop phantom pregnancies.


:confused:  :confused:  :confused:

It does down here on planet earth.
- By Rhodach [gb] Date 10.11.11 02:35 UTC
Yes she is a mini long dachsie, she is 8.5yrs old now.
- By Stevensonsign [gb] Date 10.11.11 16:15 UTC
'' if you spay a bitch too early (Before they come into their first menstrual cycle) then when they hit the stage where they would have been on heat, they can have a phantom pregnancy.''
'' it's really rare to have a phantom pregnancy if they are spayed but not 100% impossible."'
''Pseudopregnancy In Spayed Bitch
We have had our 11 month old Pug X Jack Russell spayed last week. On taking her back to the vets with a few worries (sore wound, bloated mammary glands) it turns out she is have a pseudo/phantom pregnancy. ''

It is rare (but not unknown) for bitches who are spayed (ovariohysterectomised), to exhibit these changes. Although the majority of the hormones are being produced by the ovaries, some are produced in the adrenal glands.
Sorry but at this vets on ''planet earth'' it has been noted.
- By Stooge Date 10.11.11 16:20 UTC Edited 10.11.11 16:22 UTC
I am not sure who you are quoting but bitches do not mentruate so it does not sound like anything a veterinary surgeon might say.
- By lilyowen Date 10.11.11 18:07 UTC

> We have had our 11 month old Pug X Jack Russell spayed last week. On taking her back to the vets with a few worries (sore wound, bloated mammary glands) it turns out she is have a pseudo/phantom pregnancy. ''


Spaying won't necessarily stop a phantom once it has started  and this example is why vets usually recommend waiting 3 months after a season to spay.

I stll say that if a spay is done properly and removes all the ovaries then a bitch won't have a phantom. No Hormones = no phantoms.

Some scientific sources for these  highly dubious sounding quotes would be useful.
- By lilyowen Date 10.11.11 18:11 UTC
And there are plenty of resources on line suggesting spaying as a prevention for phantom pregnancies. They would hardly do that if it didn't stop them.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 10.11.11 18:31 UTC
This happenes when the bitch was brewing a phantom at the time of spaying (ie she was spayed at the wrong time). Once this has settled down after the surgery she won't have any more.

This is why vets advise waiting to spay until mid-season when there are no signs of phantom pregnancy. If the surgery is done then (and all ovarian tissue removed) phantom pregnancy will not occur ever again. Spaying is a cure for phantom pregnancies.
- By JeanSW Date 10.11.11 21:44 UTC

>Spaying won't necessarily stop a phantom once it has started  and this example is why vets usually recommend waiting 3 months after a season to spay.


Exactly lilyowen.  And the great majority of vets would advise clients of the correct time for spaying a bitch.  I have known friends that have booked a bitch in, and the vet has refused to operate because the bitch had milk.

With that knowledge, I am guessing that the vets willing to spay a bitch immediately after a season, would definitely be in the minority.  (And not one that I would choose to trust.)
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