Hi again. still no joy re sue i have tried every site i can find to no avail only yourself and margaret from collienet answered isent loads of emails to collie people im so surprised not to have heard back as i know quite a few of..them to talk to . Have you ever showed in ireland one of my bullmastiffs got 4th in his class in crufts in may2001 (MARAGAIN KNIGHTRIDER)he has sinced gained his title at 2 yrs old i bred him. 2 more litter sisters are almost there Iam so pleased. Iam doing the pastoral group next year at bullbreeds over here + bullmastiffs and german shepherds . how are your collies bred have you a web site let me know best wishes marie