Hi All

My bitch is in pup 3 weeks if she is

There was a mix up with her worming and now she is in desperate need of worming i no you can give panacur from day 40 . The vet says i can worm her now however i am concerned it may harm pups and other people have said this . I no there are people on with great knowledge so wanted to no what you think

(Note)- The worming situation with the bitch was a genuine mistake missing her worming before mating( I thought my mum done it she thought i had done it , i then went away and the carry on goes on)  - my 3 dogs are well looked after and always wormed and de fleaed

Thanks for your advice

Unless you have seen evidence of worms there is no desperate need to worm, so waiting until day 40 will be fine.

I wouldn't worm a 3 weeks pregnant bitch.  So sorry, I don't agree with your vet.

Agree with Barbara, leave it until day 40.

I don't worm a pregnant bitch full stop, ever. I worm before mating and when pups are done at 3 weeks and it's never been a problem. I prefer to use Drontal and that isn't to be used in pregnancy anyway.

Another one to say forget worming for now (ie don't and don't worry that you haven't :-) ) and start on day 40 with Panacur.

I'd use Drontal - contact them for advice on worming pregnant bitches, I've known a number of people who've had issues with Panacur, enough not to ever give it to in-whelp bitches or young pups.  Follow their advice and ignore your vets - or you are right, you could end up with losing the litter or having deformed pups.

Sorry but I find your continued advice about not using panacur as scaremongering. Many breeders use this with no ill effects, afterall it is licensed for use on pregnant bitches.

I agree Drover, any vermicide can have ill effects. 

I'm sorry too :-(  It's heartbreaking and unnecessary - as is constantly ignoring the fact that it has, and does, happen :-(  I will give advice on my knowledge and experience - it's a scary thing to have happen.

But what is the point of steering people to another vermicide that might be the one that their dog may have an reaction to?

Just to confirm - whilst I've heard a large number of reactions to Panacur (maybe other breeders on here have been very lucky and not had a problem!) I haven't heard of anyone having a problem with Drontal when given to pregnant bitches and young pups.  So, I'm happy to recommend Drontal, but not Panacur.

My recent collie litter had a very bad reaction to the Panacur paste on their second worming (fine the first time they were wormed with it). Vomiting, diarrhoea, so off-colour I even wondered if they had somehow picked up parvo even though none of the adults had been anywhere but our own land for three weeks before my girl whelped and, of course, for the whole time we had the litter. They were literally squirting black liquid out of their bottoms. The first girl threw up very soon after her receiving her dose and all but one pup of the 8 were badly affected. I would never use it again (had 4 full syringes left that got thrown away). I appreciate lots of people have used it with no problems at all but I will stick to Drontal in future.

Having stuck to Drontal for a while I have now returned to using panacur as I  have found it more affective. Puppies were still carrying a worm burdern after using the drontal liquid.
None of mine have had bad reactions to either product.

Have I read here that collies should only be given one type of worming meds? As didn't apply to my dogs nother else registered.

Have always used Panacur ( 10 litters over 20 years ish and never a problem ) and my vet advises it as the safest wormer so very interesting once again to read these posts. As an SQP I can sell Panacur for pregnant bitches and young puppies but would advise someone to see their vet in the case of Drontal as it states under veterinary supervision so I would take Pancur as the safer product under the licence.
Diane

Just to add to the confusion when people are discussing Drontal they need to distinguish whether they mean Drontal multi-wormer or the Puppy version that is designed for roundworm.

>Sorry but I find your continued advice about not using panacur as scaremongering.

I'm with drover and Stooge, and have used Panacur 10% suspension with complete safety for many, many years.