On my way home from work there is a board up outside a stables. They are advertising Jack Russell pups (fair enough) but the other advert is for (and I quote) Malamu Husky cross GSD pups. Now besides that fact that I would not want this cross in a million years and as Brainless says in another thread about a breed that just wants to bog off, I firmly believe that this is not a typo error and that the breeder really believes that a Malamute is called a MALAMU. Scarey isn't it.

That's all the world needs, isn't it! I saw an ad recently...get this... 'Stylish Lab puppies.'. I thought to myself 'Oh yes, every Lab I've met so far has been stylishly rolling in fox poo or stuffing his head in my crotch stylishly!'. Nothing against Labs of course, but I found it a very odd description!

I was in a petshop last week and looked at the adverts on the wall just out of curiosity. Spotted one for "Papillion puppies". I exclaimed loud enough for everyone to hear that I thought it was awful that people who don't even know the name of their breed should be breeding litters.

I feel the same when I see adverts for 'Dalmation' puppies. If they haven't even noticed how the name is spelled they don't know nough to breed them!

At least Dalmatian and Dalmation sound ALMOST the same. :) Huge difference beetween "Papijon" and "Pap-ill-ion". (Then again you get people mispronounce names even at champ shows. "Judging of the Mali-noise is about to start in ring x". Always makes me wonder if they are going to judge the quality of their bark! LOL!)

Scenario in my breed pick up phone " Have you got some Bermese for sale? " Or out walking
" Ohh look Burmese".....Now would that be 8 stone cats or what !!!
I would think a GSD x Mal would be a nightmare on long fast legs !!
Aileen

Ahem...well I *never* pronounced it like that, and I certainly never said it to Malinois owners and wondered why they smirked... ;)

My friend was stewarding Bernese at a Champ Show last year and called Burmese, it was only when she saw me ringside absolutely creased up that she came over I miaowed and she discovered what she had- we will never let her forget it and she will never make that mistake again :)

> Spotted one for "Papillion puppies".

I have the image of two little fluffy dogs on a motorbike - the one at the back being the papillion rider, of course.

Then you get adverts for Golden Labradors.....

And I remember seeing a stud dog advert for a red border collie that stated in the advert 'also carries the gene for black and white'. Beggars belief....

Not uncommon to see BC studs who have a merle mother and therefore carry the merle gene and will give you merle puppies !!!

The worst are those who breed 2 merles because then they'll get a whole litter of merles....

>The worst are those who breed 2 merles because then they'll get a whole litter of merles....

Which should be illegal.  Makes my blood boil.

I saw an advert today for Boochis. Boston terrier x Chihuahua. That's a new one on me, havent seen those advertised before.

Whatever next eh

They can't be registered with the KC any more.
I did read that there are breeders who are not bothered about papers but want lots of merle pups who will breed a merle x merle litter and keep one as a stud to use on black & white bitches. You are guaranteed 100% merle pups from that mating and any defects that the stud have are apparently not  passed on, doesn't matter if the stud is blind or deaf as long as he can perform with a bitch. Bloody awful way of breeding :(

>doesn't matter if the stud is blind or deaf as long as he can perform with a bitch.

I can't tell you how gobsmacked I am.  That is so disgusting.

So called experienced Breeders who put the extra T in Basset Hound....aaarrrggghhh!!!!

Cavalier King Charles spaniel puppies are frequently advertised as King Charles ... which is a totally different breed, one they probably don't even know exists. Also, I see tricolours advertised as "black and white" - no tan then ? And Blenheims spelt "blenham" or referred to as "red and white", "ginger and white" or "ruby and white".  This basic level of ignorance astounds me, they don't even know the name of their breed or what the colours are. What hope do we have for health issues ?!

Oh yes health tests are fine, he is all up to date with his jabs !!!

and he has been to the vet !
My tortie burmese would be mortified to be confused with a bernese !

It's quite a common belief for some reason that dogs can 'carry' merle - even people who you'd think would know better. Of course these days 'brown' is the 'old' red which is recessive and if the dog has it then it's brown... with the 'new' red, true red or Australian red dogs who express the colour red can carry the black gene as both are dominant.  I find the genetics around this quite complicated.  Like sable though merling isn't expressed on true red so dogs may carry the merle gene but will not look as though they do.  Time I think in border collies to ban merle to sable and true red litter registrations - it's already the case in shelties (for merle to sable litters).  Mistakes can easily be made by 'novice' or back yard breeders when you can't tell - by eye - if one of the parents is merle.

> Judging of the Mali-noise is about to start in ring

Is that not just a noisy Mali?! Lol! If so i've got 2 of them!

> "Judging of the Mali-noise is about to start in ring x". Always makes me wonder if they are going to judge the quality of their bark! LOL!)

That is a funny one :-D
I do feel we should forgive mispronunciations though, after all we do not snigger at those who pronounce the "s" in Paris but then I think that's most of us :)

ah but of course the English way does pronounce the 's' - we are also not - hopefully - critical of French people who pronounce London their way :-(  Interestingly Jive was on holiday in Calais with a GB dog called 'Paris' and the French 'host' pronounced his name our way, rather than his way... because Paris in English does have an 'S' on the end, surely?   Mind we may chance our mind - royal 'we' that is, it's happened before.

> because Paris in English does have an 'S' on the end

Paris in France has an "s" on the end :) 
Perhaps he thought the dog was called Pariss. :)

>we are also not - hopefully - critical of French people who pronounce London their way

Mais non :)

What on earth?  No, don't bother explaining I'm sure that it means something to you... lol

It's not that tricky :-D 
Paris in France also has a s on the end.  They do not pronounce it.  We choose to because we are more comfortable doing so, so it is surprising or odd that English people choose to pronounce other foreign nouns in a way they are comfortable with?
I don't see anything wrong in that as we never correct them over Paris.

The French man was probably being polite pronouncing Paris, not the French capital but a dogs name so presumably named after the greek character, in the way that its owner does.  Or maybe, having heard the owner say it he thought the dogs name was Pariss which would be pronounced with an S at the end in French.
And no I don't think the French should have to pronounce our capital the way we do either.

Simplz :)

On a French note, it always annoys me when I see people writing the plural of Dogue de Bordeaux as Dogue de Bordeauxs or, even worse, Dogue de Bordeaux's.

Now now let's not be intolerant, if you are advertising a dog or puppy for sale or own the breed then yes you should know what it is called and be able to spell and pronounce it correctly but if you don't you should be allowed to make mistakes as we all do even me on the very rare occasion :-o

I do feel we should forgive mispronunciations though, after all we do not snigger at those who pronounce the "s" in Paris but then I think that's most of us :-)

That's different as it is a translation into English. No different really to how Göteborg becomes Gothenburg in English or  Kobenhavn (now I don't have a a Danish Ö on my keyboard so the second letter is wrong) becomes Copenhagen in English and Köpenhamn in Swedish. Helsinki is Helsinki in English, Helsingfors in Swedish and Tampere in Finnish. Some cities don't change the spelling i.e. London and Paris, but they are still not pronounced the same in a DIFFERENT language. If I speak to my husband I say London in English, if I speak to my mum I say London in Swedish -it sounds totally different because it's not the same language. It would be wrong to say it the Swedish way in English and vice versa. Same for countries -you say Sweden here but the country's name is Sverige. England is England in Swedish as well but pronounced differently. But Great Britain becomes Storbritannien. Etc. :)

Dog breeds on the other hand don't really have that global translation unless they have been translated completely eg. Great Dane. So a Golden Retriever should be pronounced the same way in all countries and Malinois is Malinois in English and French speaking countries and should sound the same (well the best we can LOL) but is Mechelaar in Belgium and various others.

That is interesting, Marianne, but you know the Brits have never been very outwardward looking when it comes to languages so I really think you have to make allowances. 
It does not necessarily mean they will love or understand their dog any the less for making a dogs dinner of its name :)  Please forgive us :)

It does not necessarily mean they will love or understand their dog any the less for making a dogs dinner or its name :-)

No but I don't think anyone involved enough in a breed to justify BREEDING it will have missed how to pronounce their breed's name -and above all how to spell it! :)

>but you know the Brits have never been very outwardward looking when it comes to languages so I really think you have to make allowances. 

Why? All pilots, for example, need to learn English for air traffic control purposes. When something has already been translated into your own language it's surely not that difficult to pronounce and spell it correctly!

And when it comes to something as serious as creating lives then it should only be done after a great deal of research - and that involves the basics of learning what your own breed is called!

> When something has already been translated into your own language it's surely not that difficult to pronounce and spell it correctly!

If it has been translated into your own language I thought we had agreed it was as Marianne indicates ie pronounced as you would in your own language.

> And when it comes to something as serious as creating lives then it should only be done after a great deal of research - and that involves the basics of learning what your own breed is called!

I wasn't really meaning breeders, I agree they really ought to know the niceties although not sure it would matter too much if they were simply choosing to pronounce it in their own way.

>If it has been translated into your own language I thought we had agreed it was as Marianne indicates ie pronounced as you would in your own language.

And when it hasn't been translated it's only sensible to pronounce it the way it is in its country of origin. Take 'Weimaraner' or 'Tervueren', for instance. They should be pronounced the same way the world over.

Going back to the cross-breeds, I have just read the latest name for the Labradoodle: the Poodoor! Somewhat lacks the same street cred, especially if they paid £1000 for it! Could also be Doorpoo!

> Take 'Weimaraner' or 'Tervueren', for instance.

Ummm well there are plenty of people calling them 'Why-maraners', probably as many as there are
'Rott-why-lers'... Tervs are a different kettle of fish, so it's best to abbreviate to Terv... lol. I've heard Terv-YOO-rens and Tervyou-Rens and Terv-oo-rens... I've also heard Laekenois as Lee-ken-wahs, Lay-ken-wahs and both of those ending in Oys or Oize instead of Ouahz/Wahs. Same with the Malis :)

Might be easier to just say "Belgian Shepherd" but because they look a bit like 'Aalsatians' I learned early on never to say Shepherd, because people hear that and instantly say, "Oh I knew there was something Shepherdy about him/it/her" and carry on as if it was a new type of Alsatian/GSD.

I just say "Belgian Tervueren/Belgian Malinois" and let them go home and look it up on Google if they care to.

I was impressed today though when a bloke on the bus looked at my two and asked if they were the same breed.... but one longhaired, and one shorthaired? I was very happy :)

>Belgian Tervueren/Belgian Malinois

Um um um um from someone who has been on here for a long time and was there to see Ripley go BOB at crufts, I um um still say Mailnoy, and teruvean. I donnot know how to say the different types!!!! (Marianne said them to me, but I stilkll cant remember how to say them!!!!) and I am not a 'novice' Although the other examples you gave I cring if I see them.
Alsatian, no german shepherds :(
I am scared to ask the breed, as I think it is a breed and it turns out to be a stupid cross breed. Ie spanish water dogs, I see a dog and think its one, then look closely and realise it must be a Labrador x poodle :( :( :(
Oh and I hate to hear people calling Irish setters - Red setters!!!!!
Lea :) :) :)

> I um um still say Mailnoy, and teruvean. I donnot know how to say the different types!!!!

You have the educated option, as you do know the breeds - So you can say Belgian Shepherds as a catch-all, or Tervs and Malis ;)

Just be grateful you don't actually own one and have to deal with the General Public... hehehe! :)

>You have the educated option, as you do know the breeds - So you can say Belgian Shepherds as a catch-all, or Tervs and Malis 

Oh MsTemeraire  you have made me feel so good for that comment :) :) :) :)
Lea :) :)

My first dog in born 23 years ago was a Groenendael bitch who sadly died young.

I always pronunced them:

Groan-en-dahl,
Ter-voo-ren,
Mal-in-wah, and
Lah-ken-wah

I hate it when people say Terv, Gronny, and Mal.

>> I have the image of two little fluffy dogs on a motorbike - the one at the back being the papillion rider, of course.

Lol!! How can someone who's just bred a litter of these dogs be so ignorant to call them papillions? How can you not know they are butterfly dogs if you own one-and most people know the French for butterfly if only because of the film Papillon.
I've seen loads of adverts for "Golden labrador" puppies too.

Sorry but all this talk of mispronunciations has made me think of the two Ronnies and their pismronunciations!! :-D

:-D

I find the best thing to do is ask "Is yours a Portuguese Water Dog?" - rather than "Is he/she a Labradoodle".  If it is the latter they don't mind the mistake - but if you ask the owner of a PWD if he or she is a labradoodle then you will be in trouble . . .  So pick the nearest purebred you can think of (and ideally pronounce it right!) - and hopefully the owner is more likely to be flattered than offended.  I have learned this approach through painful experience!!

One of my neighbours was interested in a Rockwiler. Eh? What? Or a whip. she just wouldn't believe me that they were Rottweilers and Whippets.

I regularly get told there is no such a breed as a Large Munsterlander, and someone is having me on. The fact that I have owned and bred the breed for over 20 years means nothing. They do not exist. ;-)

My Border collie bitch must be a cross breed because only Husky type dogs have ice blue eyes like that !!!

> Of course these days 'brown' is the 'old' red which is recessive and if the dog has it then it's brown... with the 'new' red, true red or Australian red dogs who express the colour red can carry the black gene as both are dominant.  I find the genetics around this quite complicated

Australian red is still recessive but at the yellow locus (E) rather than the brown locus (B).

I wonder how many breeders have bred a brown/red dog which was genetically bbEE with an Australian red which was genetically BBee and wondered why they ended up with a litter of black puppies (as they'd all be BbEe) ;-)

Same colour genetics as Labradors except of course they call it chocolate and yellow!

> Same colour genetics as Labradors except of course they call it chocolate and yellow!

Traditionally that would be Liver.

> > Same colour genetics as Labradors except of course they call it chocolate and yellow!
>Traditionally that would be Liver.

Liver, chocolate, brown, red, all the same colour just for different breeds, you'd think there'd be some consistency with colour names wouldn't you?! :-)