I have a person coming to the US from Germany, she is coming for a visit to FL.  She is wanting to get a Boston puppy from me to show.  He will be 10 wks when she is here.  I need to know what it takes to get him into Poland, she lives in Germany but is traveling to and from Poland.  I have downloaded the forms for my vet to fill out but I need to know if there is anything else beside that and the ISO microchip that I have to do.  They are traveling 26/Oct/2011 and I will get the puppy to her in FL on 3/Nov/2011 and they will fly out to Poland on 7/Nov/2011.  So I need to know asap what else I need to do.  I have been researching this now for several days.  They want to do it this way so they can carry him with them on the planes and he doesn't have to go as cargo.  Janice

>she is coming for a visit to FL.

Where is FL? Do you mean Florida?

This site is UK based, so we're all pretty much in the dark when it comes to US or mainland European regulations.

Puppy will need rabies vaccination and you'll have to check (I presume its 21 days as this is what the UK is changing to from 1st Jan) the EU rules.  Your vet will need to fill in the relevant form (which is available from Defra).  It has to be in English, but may also be in Polish (you'd have to download from the Polish equivalent).  They should be able to fly with the pup - but he may have to go in the hold or will have to stay in a crate under the seat if he's the right size for that.  Choose the airline and see what they say.  I brought a dog from Washington to Paris in this way - with the dog in the hold.  It's cheaper to fly out and collect and take a dog back as excess baggage than flying as cargo.  I flew with Delta but you'll have to see who flies into Poland.

Your vet will need to fill in the relevant form (which is available from Defra).

OP is in the US so DEFRA won't come into it.

>or will have to stay in a crate under the seat if he's the right size for that.

Last time I went in an aeroplane there was barely room under the seat for my feet, let alone my handbag! No chance of a dog larger than a hamster fitting under there!

Your vet will need to fill in the relevant form (which is available from Defra).

OP is in the US so DEFRA won't come into it.


Lol don't be silly!   it's the European form which Poland is a member of so of course it's the right form!  It wont be in Polish (which it doesn't need to be) but as I said they can get that from the Polish equivalent of Defra which I haven't a clue what it is, presumably the person buying the pup will be able to locate!  But really, being in the USA has nothing to do with it... it's where the pup's going to which is important, which is Europe so the form from Defra is fine!

You will also need a certificate of fitness to travel from your vets - depending on the weather there may be restrictions, particularly if the pup is quite young.  Winter - cold depending on if there are any stops.  You may have to get the pup used to the cold and the vet may put a limit on temperature for his travel.  The hold is heated, but it's hanging around on cold runways where the issue lies.  Check with the airline any restrictions or regulations on crate - you'll need frozen water and a bowl and food attached, just in case the dog needs feeding on any hold ups.

Just to add - do a copy of the form as you need to tape one copy to the crate and have one for the owner to keep with him during travel.

it's where the pup's going to which is important, which is Europe so the form from Defra is fine!

LOL don't be silly! (to quote you) -since when does the UK and the other European countries have the same import rules?! There's always 2 countries standing out as being different to the rest (at the moment, at least) and that is the UK and Sweden.

Yes, the family is coming to Florida USA, and will be going back to Poland.  The puppy will be 10 wks and USA doesn't give Rabies under 12 wks, I read where if the puppy is under 12 wks there was extra paperwork needed.  They are wanting to do it this way because they feel it will be better for the puppy to be with them thru the whole flight instead of under in the cargo.

I have found the info needed for Germany as that is where she resides, but she is flying into Poland.

it's where the pup's going to which is important, which is Europe so the form from Defra is fine!

LOL don't be silly! (to quote you) -since when does the UK and the other European countries have the same import rules?! There's always 2 countries standing out as being different to the rest (at the moment, at least) and that is the UK and Sweden.
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Sigh!!! Now you're being really silly as EU has the same form whatever the country and the rules .... from Jan 1st of course two countries (oh you forgot one) will be complying with Europe - Great Britain (to include NI) and of course Ireland (how could you forget Ireland?).  Form because an EU passport is given by EU countries (my dog has a French one!). 

The purchaser will have to check what needs doing as the pup is too young for the rabies innoculation as UK pages wont have anything on as no dog can come into Britain without rabies vaccination and at the moment a minimum of 7 months. 

Why fly to Poland?  It's easy to fly to Germany surely? Particularly if they live in Germany.  It's likely to be the same requirements for Poland and Germany - but they need to check this.  You may consider having the form in English (requirement), German and Polish.  You'll have to check the size of crate permitted in the cabin - it is quite small but then a Boston isn't large.  The pup will, though, have to remain in the crate the entire journey.

Yes, the family is coming to Florida USA, and will be going back to Poland.  The puppy will be 10 wks and USA doesn't give Rabies under 12 wks, I read where if the puppy is under 12 wks there was extra paperwork needed.  They are wanting to do it this way because they feel it will be better for the puppy to be with them thru the whole flight instead of under in the cargo.

As an aside this isn't 'cargo' - if the pup travels in the 'hold' of the plane which they are travelling on the pup is travelling as 'baggage' not 'cargo'.  Cargo would mean flying without accompanying humans in a 'cargo plane'.

The pup will be too young to travel in the hold so you'll need to look at companies who will allow him in the cabin - usually in a special crate designed for under the seat - they'll have to ensure the seat they book is ok for this.  It's a very small space, but the only way they allow in the cabin usually.

This is what Delta says

Pets As Carry On

Some pets can travel with you in the cabin for a one-way fee of 125 USD/CAD* (to be collected at check-in) for travel within U.S./Canada, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico (200 USD/CAD/EUR* for travel outside the U.S.) with the exception of any travel to/from Brazil which is 75 USD one-way. For any travel to/from South Africa (in exception of service animals) pets must travel as cargo and are not permitted in the cabin or as checked baggage.

Pets permitted in the cabin include dogs, cats, and household birds. The following restrictions apply:

    * Your pet must be small enough to fit comfortably in a kennel under the seat directly in front of you. Maximum carry-on kennel dimensions are determined by your flight. You must contact Delta Reservations to determine the appropriate kennel size.
    * Your pet must remain inside the kennel (with door secured) while in a Delta boarding area (during boarding and deplaning), a Delta airport lounge, and while onboard the aircraft.
    * Your pet must be at least 8 weeks old.
    * You may not carry on more than one pet.
    * Your pet in-cabin counts as one piece of carry-on baggage.
    * If you're traveling to Hawaii, your pet won't be able to go with you in the cabin, and other restrictions may apply. See Pets to Hawaii for more information.
    * Pets are prohibited in-cabin and as checked baggage into Hong Kong and the United Kingdom. Pets may only be brought into HKG and the UK as cargo.
    * *CAD amount will be charged exit Canada, and EUR amount will be charged exit Europe. Fees established by the contract of carriage in effect at the time of ticket issuance will apply.

they actually live closer to the Poland airport then the Germany airport so that is why she flys Poland, she is also originally from Poland.  I know how to fly puppies I just need the particulars of the paperwork needed.

>">Why fly to Poland?  It's easy to fly to Germany surely? Particularly if they live in Germany.

When I went to poland, we flew to Germany the took a bus to Poland.  We landed in Berlin, i loved it saw two countries in one trip.  The airports were a factor on how we travelled. 

A dog under 5kg that will fit into the sports-bag size carrier can travel in the cabin with some airlines.

One of mien went at 8 weeks to Spain this way and another to USA at 9 weeks when I am pretty sure she was over the weight by a pound or two.  Personally I would always prefer the excess baggage option in the airline crate in the hold).

Also most EU countries and USDA if pup is under 3 months it can go without the Rabies shot, but once over 3 months it has to have the Rabies with a waiting period of 21 days after for EU and I think 30 days in USA (well the states I was concerned with).

I called the Polish airline this AM and they do not allow any puppy to fly younger then 12 wks, so I guess this trip is out and will have to wait till 15 - 16 wks

Have you tried different airlines?

Th family getting him already have their tickets to fly, so they can't be changed.

Can they have him in the hold as checked/excess baggage (actually more comfortable for the pup than in the hot cabin and cramped cabin carrier). 

Usually the fee is reasonable compared to Cargo.  for example American Airlines charged $150 one way.  Some airlines charge EUR200.

It's important to book people and dog's flights at the same time as they only allow a limited number of animals per flight - so unless you book together you can't guarantee to get everyone on the plane.  I found my flights with Delta - rang the airline, then booked online whilst on the phone and then confirmed the dog's flight booking via the phone.

The Polish airlines won't allow him to fly at this time because he is only 10 wks.  So we will have to wait till he is 12 wks to get his rabies and then wait the 21-30 days before i can ship him as cargo.  I really preferred him flying with his people but it just isn't going to happen that way.  Thank you all for trying to help.

PennyGC,  I also have show Border Collies and working BC, I see you have BC in your avatar

ah, actually whilst I have border collies, the avatar are (USA) shelties :-)  - I do agility :-)

sorry hard to tell with the small pictures.  I have two bitches that are getting ready to be shown in conformation but then Jenna will go to live with her mom and she will do agility with her.

yes, it can be very difficult to tell them apart - unless it's a collie in a colour shelties don't 'come' in like brown :-)  I've 3 brown tri, 2 black tri and 1 blue merle collies, hoping to get my blue and white pup early in new year :-)

> Great Britain (to include NI)

As you're being so pedantic towards Goldmali I feel I have to point out that Great Britain does NOT include Northern Ireland. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Sigh!!! Now you're being really silly as EU has the same form whatever the country and the rules

So if you wanted to export a puppy to Poland, it would make sense to tell you to fetch the relevant forms from a US website?! I can do without being called silly just for pointing out a rather vital bit of info, namely the country the OP was enquiring from -so congratulations, you've now gone on my ignore list.