He has been reporting from the BVA Congress at which Emma Milne was giving a speech on Dog breeding... She wants shows banned and dog breeding of pedigrees stopped and all other breeding only done under some sort of veterinary control...

> Emma Milne was giving a speech on Dog breeding... She wants shows banned and dog breeding of pedigrees stopped and all other breeding only done under some sort of veterinary control...

She may get that on whatever planet she is on.................its obviously not the same planet as the rest of us :-D

rolls eyes  another one!  hope someone will put her back in her box then!  get real!  so pedigree dogs stop being bred - then what???

She may be a vet, but she doesn't seem to have a working brain

If she gets what she says she wants she'll likely be out of a job.  It's the dogs and other animals who are unhealthy that pay her wages. 

>She may get that on whatever planet she is on.................its obviously not the same planet as the rest of us

She's on that wonderful planet - Planet Celebrity, where the fluffy headed people live.    Have you seen who her agent is?

Is that the same vet who had that big tirade at greyhounds in Dogs Today ?

Does this refer to the article you mean?

http://www.sighthoundwelfaretrust.org.uk/forums/blog/awareness/index.php?showentry=39

does she just deal with cats and dogs at her practice or does she deal with other pedigree animals as well ?

It is scary that a vet who is so much in the public eye can be so uninformed!

What's really scarey is that in the past this kind of behaviour would have been regarded as unprofessional.

Never liked her years ago when she was training as a vet, she seems to get worse as she gets older! 

And what would that achieve, exactly?
Even if she did succeed, it would only affect those who register with the KC and won't affect BYBs, puppy farms or those who choose to register with other organisations.

This is the vet that was married to Joe Inglis, the vet on the other topic from the one show. She had pedigree Border Collies last I heard, though that was a few years ago. Bit of do as I say, not as I do.

http://emmathevet.co.uk/ Her web site she even describes herself as the TV vet! Sheesh where, which rock are all these creepy people crawling out from?

Haha.... I've never heard of her before.. Looked on her website and nope don't recognise her at all...

Does she want a planet of heinz 57's then?

Yes that's the one Dill, thankfully nobody seemed to take a blind bit of notice, I'd guess nobody will notice her now.

> Does she want a planet of heinz 57's then?

Yep that is what many want, and then after the breeds are gone they can gradually work to get rid of dogs altogether because of irreponsible owners etc, who are the ones allowing their dogs to roam and breed willy nilly, bingo you have got rid of dogs, next target cats!!! 

PETA and the like won't be happy until all domestic animals are done away with, though initially they don't let on to their real agenda, but chip away with supposed concern about welfare.

Yes she was & same programme that had Trude Mostue(sp?) & the dishy vet from a sheep farm...Steve Leonard

Never liked her since that time in "Vets in practice" when she pronounced "All Persian cats are aggressive". It's scary how somebody so clueless can still be a vet.

She knows absolutely nothing about dogs showing, and doesn't want to learn. I remember reading an outraged article of hers about her view of a visit to Crufts; how cruel it was that dogs had travelled all that way and then weren't "picked for showing" so spent the whole time on the bench. Obviously the concept of all the different classes hadn't occurred to her and she thought they'd all be in a ring together!

> all other breeding only done under some sort of veterinary control

If it's anything like her advice on her website, to a person who was trying to breed staffies, then the way forward would be to breed dogs that live close together so they can get to know each other without the stress of traveling - and that dogs would prefer to mate with a partner of thier choice (no mention of health testing or  the current health/temprment of either dog, nor any other responsible breeding practices mentioned,), - brill!! Maybe I should have let Buster mate the little terrier that sought him out when we were on a walk - a cross bred litter from a mating of the DOGS choice - perfect. ;)

I just had a look and am appalled with "When she does come into season she should spend as much time with him as possible to allow the mating to happen as often as the dogs want to". Good grief! The woman has no idea of the potential for injury as well as the subsequent lack of certainty of due date which would increase the risk of ignoring inertia. She's a positive danger!

Just had a look.............£5 'donation' to get an answer 'within 14 days'

Wow and I think we give far better advice for FREE

>Yep that is what many want, and then after the breeds are gone they can gradually work to get rid of dogs altogether because of irreponsible >owners etc, who are the ones allowing their dogs to roam and breed willy nilly, bingo you have got rid of dogs, next target cats!!! 

She really hasn't twigged has she?    If you get rid of ALL the pets, what will keep her in a job?    Farm Animals?   If PETA have their way, those will be gone too and wild animals seem not to have their own bank accounts or insurance ;)

She should have trained as a horticulturalist, then she'd not have the future worry of how to earn a crust - or is it a case of "I'm all right Jack" and she thinks that it will only affect other vets?  

Really is very worrying that someone so incapable of thinking through a subject clearly has qualified as a vet.   As for her 'breeding advice'...

Words fail me!

Also -if no pedigree dogs were allowed, what's the police, the army, the guide dogs etc etc going to do for working dogs? Breeds also have a PRACTICAL reason for having been created. Very few were created for looks alone. Sure, not all reasons still exist, but they certainly still do for many breeds.  INCLUDING those created as small companions -I picked Cavaliers as a pure pet for me (do not show them or breed them) because they were bred to be just that and have great happy personalities as a result, I could never imagine for instance having a terrier temperament dog as a pet.

She should have trained as a horticulturalist

Hang on a minute Dill, we've already established that this person isn't safe to be left in charge of a pot plant.

Breeding under veterinary control.........
Whenever you read on websites pet people and mongrel owners who say that their vets have said their dogs are healthy.  The vets have not done a single health test on said dogs and just looked at them.  Is this how Emma Milne will ascertain that a mongrel should be bred from?

I look forward to the day when all breeding stock has to have hips, eyed, DNA tests etc. done and I look forward to seeing the true results.......

Emma's advice seems geared towards the dogs WILL need vet care if you follow it.

She has totally lost the plot when she advocates mating to the dogs in your area,inbreeding would be rife in no time at all. She obviously knows nothing about the KC helping breeders by making sure we do the right matches re health testing etc. and those of us studying pedigrees till we can repeat them back in our sleep.

To think she wants you to pay for such awful advice when the right advice is given here for free and usually very quickly.

What a ghastly little woman.

> I look forward to the day when all breeding stock has to have hips, eyed, DNA tests etc. done and I look forward to seeing the true results.......

This might be sooner than you think. The KC is registering all dogs now on it's registers and these dogs will have to be health tested if the owners want to be assured breeders. Then we will see how the types compare. With changes to registration possibly happening as well it will be a very different KC in the future.

Yes, couldn't stand her when she was on something years back, I actively avoid both her and her idiot hubby.

> I actively avoid both her and her idiot hubby

Who is her idiot hubby? I thought Joe Inglis divorced her. Said at the time something along the lines of he thought she was mad.

Yes, Joe Inglis is married to someone else now.

> Yes, Joe Inglis is married to someone else now.

And he, thankfully, is far from mad... as his admirable speech on The One Show last week proved.

Isnt it joe that one of our members uses??? And she is very very pleased with him (I may be mixing Joe up with another one from vets in practice)
Unfortunatly after reading this conference for 8 years, she is alot like the vets we see talked about time and time again. Not the norm, but time and time again we read new posters and old posters stories of vets that think the same way as her!!!!
Lea xxx

Oh well, ex-hubby then. Sorry but he drives me mad, wearing full operating scrubs to appear on TV at Crufts. Yes, we know you're a vet, big deal. :rolleyes:

> Sorry but he drives me mad, wearing full operating scrubs to appear on TV at Crufts. Yes, we know you're a vet, big deal

2011?  That was Marc Abraham...

>Sorry but he drives me mad, wearing full operating scrubs to appear on TV at Crufts.

No, that's not Joe Inglis who used to be married to Emma Milne. You're thinking of Marc Abraham.

Presumably this question on her website was posed sometime during the last decade , therefore I find it staggering that she's not even querying whether it is advisable to bring yet more staffies into the world and whether the owner has got definite good homes lined up for potential puppies before a mating is even considered!!!  Things which are routinely brought up here. Apparently she is not aware of the current dire situation regarding staffies in rescue and being euthanased! And that's before the questionable nature of the 'advice' is considered! For £5 you can pick up a copy of the Book of the Bitch - much better value and a long term investement. ;-)

So I am! Oops, sorry! *blushes*

Lea it is me that used to have Joe as a vet ( no longer at the practice I go to now) . I couldn't fault him in any treatment he gave for our girls.

I can however say his attitude on pedigree dogs after the PDE program was the same as his ex wife but perhaps not as extreme.

I had a few lively exchanges with him on the subject , I voiced my concerns over his opinions but he stood by them .

He still has his opinions and he has an article on his visit to Crufts this year and his views seem
to have become less extreme.

http://www.petskitchen.co.uk/joespages/2011/03/10/mixed-feelings-about-crufts/

The comments sadly are all anti.  don't understand the rescue person finding ti awful to see all the pampered dogs compared to the cruelty meted out to the dogs she helps rescue.  Surely one has nothing to do with the other???

http://www.bva.co.uk/public/documents/Summaries_of_Contentious_Issues_sessions_2011.pdf

This is the link to the public summary. Professor Crispin (Chair of the Dog Advisory Council) was also speaking, prior to Emma Milne. It's near the bottom of the document - 24th September.

I'm really quite concerned/astonished that Ms Milne is speaking out during such a high profile conference, given her views which can only be described as extreemist rather than 'common sense'. We all understand there are problems which need addressing but surely not like this:

"limiting breeding (at least until rescue centres are empty)"
"banning showing since it has no place in a welfare-driven society"
"(vets to) encourage owners to pick cross breeds and remove our own prejudices"

Surely it should be heartwarming to see all the pampered dogs being loved by their doting owners?   

You would think someone in rescue would realise that many of these same owners are the backbone of supporting rescues.

"(vets to) encourage owners to pick cross breeds and remove our own prejudices"

Yes, about that.   How about starting with removing her own prejudices first?    Just who does she think she is?

Sadly it's the usual story of the emptiest vessel making the most noise :(

"(vets to) encourage owners to pick cross breeds and remove our own prejudices"

Yes, about that.   How about starting with removing her own prejudices first?    Just who does she think she is?

I know lol the irony in that statement really made me lol, talk about pot calling kettle!

Unbelievable.

*sits for a minute trying to put my thoughts into words and gives up*

Words do indeed fail me. :-(

"limiting breeding (at least until rescue centres are empty)"
"banning showing since it has no place in a welfare-driven society"
"(vets to) encourage owners to pick cross breeds and remove our own prejudices"

Two short planks springs to mind!!
Rescue centres will never be empty as long as the IRRESPONSIBLE continue breeding. Just like that type of person often will not have a TV license or not drive after drinking  or anything else that -some people will always do what they want, whatever the law. Why else do we still see UK born docked Rottweiller puppies, as a simple example? Because some people chose to ignore the law.

To empty the rescue centres, which would then have to be done on a regular basis, presumably would involve everyone being forced to take on a Staffy or Staffy cross only, or will all the dogs be put to sleep? I'd rather have no dog at all than taking on one of a breed I know does not suit me and my circumstances. Will the police train Staffy crosses as police dogs, and will we get Staffy guide dogs then -presumably for very short people only?!

The showing comment just shows her ignorance. Yes ALL dogs at shows are so unhealthy -that's why we had a veteran win BIS at Crufts this year.

If vets are to encourage everyone to take on crossbreeds only, where will they come from? Seeing as you can't breed.

> I'd rather have no dog at all than taking on one of a breed I know does not suit me and my circumstances.

My husband and I play this game all the time - "if the only dog you could have is a ??? (breed), would you have it, or no dog at all?"  All joking aside however, to expect people to take only whatever happens to be available in rescue shows how far removed from reality Emma wotserface is - and I'm speaking as one who's rarely been without a 'rescue' dog in our family.  She obviously has no idea how or why dogs end up in these places

I'd quite like to see her being taken to task over her comments - she's bringing her profession into disrepute.  Is she currently in practice somewhere?  I wonder what her clients think of her?

Is she currently in practice somewhere? 
Mrs Emma Elizabeth Goodman-Milne BVSc MRCVS currently practising in North Yorkshire, according to the RCVS register.

http://findavet.rcvs.org.uk/find-a-vet/521/
York.