This was the question asked by Ms Cuddy
It has also been pointed out that Wobbly Dog Productions lists two directors at Company House. Brian Klein (famously the director of BBC Top Gear) and a 21 year old called Jordan Shelley.
Can you confirm that this is the same Jordan Shelley?

This was the reply from the Beeb
OntheBox a production company owned by Brian Klein who regularly works
with the BBC was contracted for the item by The One Show.  The One Show
had not entered into any agreements with Wobbly Dog Productions - which
we understand has only been set up for the past four months and has
never made any transmitted programmes.

Then this little nugget of information was ferreted out
"According to the record at Companies House, both Jordan Shelley and Brian Klein became Directors at Wobbly Dog on 5 November 2010 (perhaps a prophetic date, given the ensuing fireworks!). Perhaps the BBC researchers need training in basic web skills, as well as dog behaviour studies, as this information is readily available through Google: http://bizzy.co.uk/uk/07431473/wobbly-dog-productions I cannot see that the fact that the item comes from sister company On The Box makes any difference at all - the bottom line is that the BBC has accepted and presented this young man as an expert, without undertaking any due diligence to establish his qualifications for the title."

It could well be it's an entirely different Jordan Shelley, but it's quite a coincidence if it is.

From the very start it seemed likely that the producer had been to a dinner party where the talk was about "our Jordan is SO clever with doggies - you really must have him on".

Just watched last nights one show, I couldn't help laughing out loud when it turned out the 'sanctuary' was a dog run in the grounds of his parents house! What a blatant cop out from Matt Baker too about them following his 'work'.
I felt rather sorry for that Bailey staffy, didn't seem like a hugely aggressive dog in the short clip I saw, I also wonder what happened exactly for him to bite his owner?
She did say it had been over food, makes you wonder if she trying to take a bone or something from him to show who's 'boss', so many people I've met have made their own dog grumpy over food because they think repeatedly taking things off the dog after giving it to them is the right thing to do :(

> She did say it had been over food, makes you wonder if she trying to take a bone or something from him to show who's 'boss', so many people I've met have made their own dog grumpy over food because they think repeatedly taking things off the dog after giving it to them is the right thing to do :-(

Well that's what the JRT had issues with, in the first show. Apparently Jean Donaldson (Culture Clash) saw the clip and pronounced it "[common or] garden variety resource guarding." So, no reason to goad the dog into a snarling fury, except for the cameras.

> no reason to goad the dog into a snarling fury

Absolutely, it's such a shame that nonsense was shown, it just makes people think its ok. I was talking to a girl in P@H last year and she had been told that the best way to deal with her GSD grumbling when people walk past its food was to get a pole and push the food bowl away from the dog!
I told her about the adding food to the bowl from a distance method and why the pole food jabbing would make things worse but you know what some people are like and seeing it on tv just makes them think its ok :/

Just seen this on Facebook..an Open letter to Jordan..offering to help him to further his training eduction..

" There's only one condition, and we know you won't consider it harsh.

Every time we disagree with a decision you make, we'll shove our foot in your mouth.
It's not abusive, don't worry, don't overreact! It's just our way of conveying to you that we're unhappy with your choices. You can fight, and argue, and use every polite method of communication you have at your disposal to try and tell us to stop, try and tell us that there's a better way, try and tell us that you've no other way of telling us how traumatic the experience is for you than to revert to instinct.

You can try, but our foot will remain firmly wedged in your mouth."

Made me smile :-)

Brilliant!

Just seen on Facebook that the word is he will NOT be back on the show.

whoop!!!  :) result!

Great news :-)

This weeks episode showed no training at all,just the dog frollicking about with other dogs, who is to know what she was like when she first encountered the strange dogs we only saw the end result.

The "sanctuary" was rather a posh name for someones back garden al be it a large one.

Hopefully the BBC have a rethink and get someone with the right credentials and many years of experience.

From Victoria Stillwell (pasted from F/B)

"BBC have just announced the end of the Jordan Shelley strand on The One Show. this is what happens when people speak up and make themselves heard. We are all sick of seeing so-called trainers put dogs through pain, stress and fear. Those trainers who practice punitive and confronational techniques have no place in our homes, in the classroom or on our televisions. Enough is enough. Dogs have suffered too long at the hands of flawed theory and ignorance. The tide is turning. Positively! Victoria.."

WOOHOO !!!

Wonder if they'll say anything, somehow I doubt it.

It would be nice if they put their hands up and admited they got it wrong

It's a great day for dogs in the UK.
The British public have stood up for their beliefs, and made it clear that they do not approve of outdated, confrontational, dominance based training methods.

Well done, us all :)

(One down, one to go....)

Just look at this.....

We made history!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_One_Show#Dog_trainer_controversy_.28Jordan_Shelley.29

Sky-high Fives to everyone who added their voice. This is a landmark in dog welfare in the UK!

> We made history!

Wikipedia history is always a bit dubious as it can be edited by anyone but the latest updates do appear to have been made by a dog lover -  someone called Rondoggy!! - so it seems dog lovers really did come out in force over this issue :)

.....and, it will be there for all to see in the future as a testament to people power.

Wonder what will happen with the OFCOM and RSPCA complaints, Jordan's off our screens but it may not be over for The One Show.

The saga continues http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042203/One-Show-axes-bully-dog-trainer-Jordan-Shelley-faces-RSPCA.html

There was also a request by Mr Shelley via The Cold Wet Nose Blog to take up the offer from trainers to show him a different way with dogs, he makes some comment about wishing he'd had more control over the editing and that there'd been a " don't try this at home" statement, but as he was part of the production company wouldn't he have had control over this ?.
I can't make up my mind if he's been very naive, or if he's playing the media game and taking advantage to further his media career. 

The decision on the 'final cut' rests with the BBC commissioning editor or the series producer/editor, the segment would also ordinarily be 'lawyered'. The editing comment is a fig leaf- and a poor one. If scenes of Jordan Shelley shoving his foot repeatedly at the JRT were edited out, it would be extremely dishonest and would have left little material to illustrate his training 'technique'.

What really bothers me is that it is reasonably plain that the BBC, still up on its anti-Crufts high horse, has shown itself to be woefully ignorant both of modern dog training and dog welfare. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at production and editorial meetings, prior to this segment going out, just to see if one, single voice was heard to say - "er, not sure about this, doesn't look quite kosher to me". Unbelievable that it got past the producers and the lawyers, and made it on to our screens.

As I suspected, it was a friend of a friend type recruitment. Who cares if Brian Klein proposed it. The buck stops with the BBC. It is their responsibility as a public service broadcaster, to ensure that whatever hits our screens meets certain standards and here they failed- miserably.

Im sure we have not see the last of Jordan Shelley.

He's too photogenic and too well conected... a potent combination for telly. Watch that space!

Im sure we have not see the last of Jordan Shelley.

And if he gets the experience, training and up-to-date knowledge that is expected from a good modern dog trainer/behaviourst, then we have no problem with him coming back on screen. :-)

We believe we have listened and responded to complaints responsibly and have stated that there are currently no plans to work with him again.
Just received this from BBC Complaints dept, part of a lengthy email. So it proves that they do listen to viewers complaints.!

I expect it was the same as mine:

Thanks for contacting us regarding 'The One Show' on BBC One.

We forwarded your concerns to the programme's Executive Editor who has responded as follows:

"Thanks for your complaint about Jordan Shelley.

"Jordan was asked to visit a dog which had failed to respond to sessions with dog trainers using reward-based techniques. The owner said that one trainer had suggested the dog be put down and this was a real possibility. The owner of the dog was and remains extremely pleased with Jordan's actions that day and on subsequent follow-up visits.

"Jordan runs a small refuge for dogs, some of which have proved too much for their owners, where he uses a range of techniques depending on the problem and the breed of dog. It was not his or the programme's intention to suggest this was a recommended technique for viewers to try.

"Last week following the complaints the programme issued a specific warning about not attempting this at home and the following day in a follow-up film Jordan stressed nobody should attempt any such technique without consulting a professional. We also interviewed at some length The Dog's Trust whose spokeswoman spelled out the dangers of the technique and why it should not be used. Following that film we acknowledged that we shouldn't have described Jordan as the programme's dog expert but merely as someone who we were following as he worked with difficult and abandoned dogs. In the studio a vet spelled out the differences between dominance techniques used by Jordan in the original film and softer, more reward-based techniques and the reasons why the latter are favoured by the dog training establishment.

"We believe we have listened and responded to complaints responsibly and have stated that there are currently no plans to work with him again.

"Yours sincerely
Sandy Smith
Executive Editor
The One Show"

We'd also like to assure you we've registered your complaint on our audience log. This is an internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily and is available for viewing by all our staff. This includes all programme makers and presenters, along with our senior management. It ensures that your points, along with all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for taking the time to contact us."

I just feel the really responsible thing to do would have been to admit, during the show, they had made an error and then rectify the damage by demonstrating how food/resource guarding should be managed with a recognised, experienced and qualified trainer, reiterating again than professional advice needs to be sought if you have behavioural issues with your family dog. I cannot comprehend how the BBC can be so naive in saying it was not their intention to demonstrate a recommended technique.  This has done so much damage becuase the public trust the BBC to show factually correct information. Had they shown 'an expert' fixing a car incorrectly/dangerously there would be hell to pay because of the possible safety reprucussions yet this element seems to have been completely ignored.

Snap same as mine - there is a surprise !!  I knew when I saw it it was a blanket response!

I just feel the really responsible thing to do would have been to admit, during the show, they had made an error and then rectify the damage by demonstrating how food/resource guarding should be managed with a recognised, experienced and qualified trainer, reiterating again than professional advice needs to be sought if you have behavioural issues with your family dog.

Definitely. I have finally today watched the clip and how the owners could fail to spot how unhappy the dog was is beyond me! And they say they are HAPPY with the result?! I would be livid! I don't wish to under estimate anyone's problem of food guarding, but I really don't get it. The dog was eating its food quickly, it would have finished in a minute or so, would it not have been easier to just simply LEAVE IT ALONE?!! I wouldn't dream of interfering with my dogs when they eat -no more than I'd want them to try to take my food when I eat! It's so simple, they know they get to eat in peace, nobody tries to take their food, so they never expect it to happen and therefore don't guard. Should I ever need to remove a bowl (and the only time ever I can think of that I've needed to do such a thing was when I accidentally gave the bowl that included medication for one dog to the wrong dog) they let me do it as they see no reason not to. There are so many nice ways to train a dog not to guard food. Swap boring food for something really tasty. Keep giving it a bowl with one piece of food in, take it back when empty and put another piece in. Add food to the bowl whilst the dog is eating etc. The BBC would have done a lot of dogs a big favour if they had got somebody in to show how to do it all nicely and safely.

> I don't wish to under estimate anyone's problem of food guarding, but I really don't get it. The dog was eating its food quickly, it would have finished in a minute or so, would it not have been easier to just simply LEAVE IT ALONE?!! I wouldn't dream of interfering with my dogs when they eat -no more than I'd want them to try to take my food when I eat!

Absolutely my opinion too, Marianne. I was taught as a young child with our first family dog, that we did not disturb her when she was sleeping or eating. We were also taught that if our family dog guarded her fresh raw bone, that was normal as well, and we were not to touch her. [Although we as kids learned by ourselves, after time she was happy to let us approach and scoop the marrow out for her to eat.]

My parents might have been clueless in some areas (they bought a puppy farmed dog), but that was 40 years ago, and they had common sense in shedloads, which is what seems to be missing these days.

I would not dream of taking bones from my dogs if they have just been given fresh raw bones (there is not much of higher value to a dog) but I have taught the one I had from a pup to step away from his dinner if asked - because it means I am going to add something extra to his bowl. And actually, I can easily walk past him even step over him when he has a new bone, because he's been taught that if I do anything, it means he'll get something just as nice, and I am not a threat.

> There are so many nice ways to train a dog not to guard food. Swap boring food for something really tasty. Keep giving it a bowl with one piece of food in, take it back when empty and put another piece in. Add food to the bowl whilst the dog is eating etc. The BBC would have done a lot of dogs a big favour if they had got somebody in to show how to do it all nicely and safely

Definately!

Our last dog had food garding issues, which became apparent when he bit my toddler for approaching him while eating (yep, I know,my fault as a parent for allowing it to happen, but still a dog should not feel the need to guard it's food from the people it lives with). Extra vigilance and lots of trainnig (people around when eating = even tastier food ADDED to the bowl) and things were a lot more relaxed :)
When we got Buster, as a pup, I made a point of teaching him from day 1 that we GIVE food, not take it. I fed him his first few meals from my hand, then progressed to giving him an empty bowl and putting handfulls of food into it, then giving him a bowl of food and adding tasty extras (eg. chicken). I's so easy to do, both to help avoid the problem from occuring and to stop the guarding if it does happen.

I'm so glad that Buster is so trusting of me around his food.
A few days ago, eager to eat his grub, he head-butted the bowl out of my hand (accidently)- the result, sticky dog food splatted all over the floor, with Buster slipping all over the place trying to scoff it up (he is the most greedy, food orientated dog onthe planet!). As his elbows don't bend (joints fusing due to ED) he was like a baby deer on ice, I was so worried he was going to seriously injure his front legs, or fall and smash his face onthe floor, that I had to stop him scoffing his food off the floor. He's pretty good with the 'leave it' command for dropped morsels of food, but an ENTIRE BOWL - that's a different story! 'leave it' fell on deaf ears.
I picked up his empty bowl, he imediately stopped scrabbling around on the floor and waited for me to scoop the sloppy, slobbery mess up into his bowl and even stepped back when he'd almost finished and waited for me to help get the dregs of food out that had become stuck in the bottom of his bowl (imagine soaked kibble, mixed with tinned dog food that's had a giant dog skating in it mixing copious amounts of slobber & drool into it - it was a right yukky mess!). Bless him :)

As I was cleaning up the mess, I shuddered at the thought of what could have happened, if he'd been 'trained' like the poor little JRT in the video............

The public comments on the most recent Daily Mail article are a real eye opener! Probably about 2/3rs were in support of Jordan Shelly and his methods. The general response was that dogs need discplince and the training was not cruel as it was the trainer being bitten (!). Better this than having the dog pts. Many spouting out that Roxy was clearly trying to dominate her human family and bribing the dog to be good doesn't work. A good few were saying the reward based method being used in schools is why there is such a problem with out of control kids today - go figure!! Those of us who complained are apparently left wing liberals with nothing better to do!

All I can think after reading some of these comments is I'm not surprised the number of dog biting incidents is increasing if people couldn't see how distressed the dog was after 45 minutes of 'training'. Interestingly though, none of the supporters had an argument for how that method could be considered safe, or indeed possible with any larger breed....

Apparently Jordan Shelley has accepted there were issues with his methods and is keen to learn alternative (reward based) ways of training. All credit to him for being man enough to admit he was wrong. Hopefully he will enroll on a course and emerge as a proper, qualified trainer with experience and qualifications. :-)

If that is the case then I agree. Getting a really first order behaviourist to train Shelley and show him how to do things, could make a really interesting and compelling segment for the One Show and a really neat way to change those two thirds of the public, who like Shelley, think they know what is right.

> The public comments on the most recent Daily Mail article are a real eye opener!

I deliberately don't read comments after any news articles about dogs. Few of them seem to be from well-balanced and informed dog-owners (kudos to those few who do post, however).

Proof of the pudding is that comments on national dailies' websites don't change anything - but all the comments direct to the BBC about JS, DID.

I received the same reply to my complaint,looks like they have cobbled together a standard letter and sent it out to all those who have complained.

I thought you might all find this interesting. http://www.naturallyhappydogs.com/watch/jordan-shelley

> I thought you might all find this interesting.

Cheers for this :)

Wow, a bit of a turn around. I hope he continues to learn, preach & practice the 'new' methods he's deiscovered.

I found myself cringing a little at the start fo the vid, when he was implying that the way in which the footage (that appeared on The One Show) was cut, portrayed him in a bad light, but carried on watching.

It was pleasing to hear he has learnt that keeping a dog under it's threshold is far better than to actually make it reactive & also that rewarding the corrwect behaviour is far less stressfull to a dog than correcting/punishing all the wrong behaviours.
He made great statement in that he has now learnt that suppressing a dogs behaviour is dangerous - brill - but he follows on from that saying that proffesional trainers that know what they are doing can safely use punishment. I got confused there - it is either dangerous or not dangerous to supress a dogs behaviour through fear & intimidation/punishemnt, it makes no difference WHO has suppressed the beahviour, supression is supression. I stopped watching there as I'm not sure wheather he either hasn't grasped the whole concept or if he's just saying what he thinks he needs to say in order to get in the publics good books.

Personally, I think he deserves a NRM - the sort I would give to Buster if he's not quite offering the requied behaviour, an NRM that means 'go, on, keep trying, but no biccy yet'.

Good and bad points, well done to him for sticking with it and actually learning from behaviourists and being open to that learning. He states that he worked along side two Spanish ex police dog trainers, so it's understandable how he came to have the confrontational techniques that he used.
I was disappointed that he went on to say he'd be taking on more clients in a few weeks time !, it takes a lot longer than a few months of reading and going to seminars to be able to take on clients !.

I certainly don't believe a word of the editing excuse, he's a partner of the production company that made it.