Would you Adam and Eve it the One Show had a Milan-ee style dog trainer on this evening !. Great, just what dogdom needs, another dominance based so called expert to educate the public in how not to train your dog. This evening was a JRT who guarded her food bowl, the front door and her young owners bed,, a quick "ssht " here and there, and some intimidation techniques and hey presto ! job done. The laugh was they had the dog in the studio and it was lying quietly at the owners feet with the presenters oohing and ahing that it must be a different dog, no you bunch of twonks, it's in a strange environment, of course it's not going to guard, it's resources weren't there !.
I'd be interested to know what qualifications this trainer has to be on national telly, preaching to the masses.

Yep, I saw that and my heart sank through the floor, especially when he said that CM was his idol. Here we go again.

Can't sit by and let them get away with that - especially as they used to have Sarah Fisher as their training and behavioural advisor! I feel a complaint brewing.

Certainly a complaint coming from me

Jo

I think we all should complain, what a dangerous and nasty thing to show people, i felt physically sick, that dog simply shut down, its a ticking time bomb. I want him off the TV!

Just had a look http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007tcw7  from 31.19 to 39ish - genuine dog lovers may find the scenes disturbing!

I have sent a complaint to the BBC. I suggest everyone else does the same because we need to get him of the temevision before someone gets bitten!

I would like to see him try doing that with a German Shepherd! What a total Bully. There are may ways to deal with food guarding but that is definitely NOT one of them!!!

Ugh that was dreadful viewing, I have just finished sending in my complaint.

I've been on the One Show homepage and can't find any link to contact them about it. Where can I send my complaint?

The young man who is the 'trainer' looks very young. He is telegenic but on being asked about how he ended up training dogs does not cite any qualifications, though he says he is open to all training techniques. From what he say, it sounds as though he stumbled into it by training his teachers dogs at school and has a natural talent. Oh dear. I wonder how the production found him- I wouldn't mind betting he's the friend of one of the producers sprogs. Has anyone here heard of him? Don't want to advertise his name but he it is given.

By the way, the BBC should have what is called a duty office, where you can lodge all viewer complaints. If you go on the BBC website try a search for duty office.

Try this number. Phone: 03700 100 222*
Textphone: 03700 100 212*
Email:Send your complaint
Cymru:Cwyno
Write: BBC Complaints
PO Box 1922
Darlington
DL3 0UR

Do you know the email addy? It hasn't copied on your list.

ETA: We need this page

Here
Personally, I would never phone in a complaint.  Too easy to ignore :)

I think you have to go through their menu on that page, where it says make an email complaint. Thus it goes through their website. It does beg the question why not just have an email address. Doesn't make making a complaint that easy. Anyhow, you can ring, write or email on their website.

Stooge, I do believe they have to log everything, even 'phone calls. The problem, I imagine, would be getting through as I doubt they have loads of people manning the 'phones but probably do have masses of complaints.

> The problem, I imagine, would be getting through

Yes and it's not free like an email :)  The above link was the one I used to complain about PDE and did receive a response.

Sent in complaint - he stated he used a balance between dominance and reward - can someone tell me when any reward was used in this

So we now will see an increase in kicking your dog and shhhtttt!!!  grrrr

I'm going to put in a complaint too, perhaps when they realise they could get into hot water when someones dog takes a lump out of them after following this person's technique, they'll take notice. Although they will have the protection of this guy having a natural talent, which, as we all know, is all the credentials you need....not !.

This is what I put on the complaints bit

I was dismayed to see the young male dog trainer featured use potentially dangerous and intimidating training techniques on a JRT . Confronting a dog displaying aggressive behaviour should never be under taken and certainly not shown on tv, what do you imagine will happen when some one who has watched this segment decides to use this technique on their large aggressive dog ? they could very well be badly bitten. The technique used is also out dated and ineffective in the long term rehabilitation of resource guarding, according to the established dog behaviour community, ie, biologists with PH'ds, rather than some chap who has a " natural talent". I'd be interested to know what recognised qualifications the man featured has, or has he just watched some Cesar Milan episodes, who, I should point out, despite his fame, is not well thought and is often cited as having put back dog training by 20 years with his dangerous and highly controversial techniques. What ever happened to Sarah Fisher who used to do dog training on this show ?, she at least understood dogs. Regards Jane Johnston

I was horrified, scared the poor dog into submission and no reward verbally or otherwise for getting it right.

I placed a complaint and invited them to come and read this thread on CD to see what others have to say on the subject.

This is the complaint I sent in:

    The dog 'trainer' in the One Show was using methods of dominance with could easily lead to someone, maybe a child, who followed his methods, getting seriously attacked, and even maybe killed, by a larger aggresive dog.
These methods are very outdated and there are much sounder methods available .

Advice can be given by members of the British Institiute of Professional Dog Trainers. The 'trainer' did not profess to have any recognised qualification other than training his teacher's dog!

> Just had a look [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007tcw7" rel=nofollow]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007tcw7[/url]  from 31.19 to 39ish - genuine dog lovers may find the scenes disturbing!

Oh my gosh, it's very frightening. How many people are going to try this on thier dogs and think thier dog is 'safe' just becasue they have dominated and bullied it into not growling or showing teeth? I couldn't watch it all. I got as far as the dog being shouted at to make it get off the bed. The girl ont he bed thought it was great that the dog was not growling, but no mention was made of the dogs state of MIND, it was panting, tense body posture and lip-licking - the dog was NOT a happy dog, it was VERY stressed out indeed. OK it was not making noise, but from what I saw the silly young man has only 'taught' the dog to shut up, and stop giving clear warnings. It's only maatter of time before the dog feels pushed beyond it's limits and bites, this will be labeled as 'with no warning', despite the clear body language, even after it has been bullied into keeping silent :( :( :(

I would love to see that young man try his technique with the food-gaurding with a dog the size of mine! -Just like CM, he WOULDN'T, he would be forced to alter the dogs state of mind with positive association rather than bully it, so why on earth bully a little dog? It makes me sick and I am sooo cross that a 'trainer' needs to shout at a dog - it only shows he can not 'teach', only bully.

That poor little JRT was nervous enough before the trainer arrived to 'help', now the little mite is even worried about eating it's food. See the way it was eating very reluctantly - in fear of the people around it,shouting and bullying it away form it's bowl. I can't see how this sort of thing is not clearly seen for what it is - inflicting unnecessary suffering on an animal. That is mental torture ON FILM and broadcast as 'training' - DISGUSTING :( :( :(

Can't quite get my head around the way some people think that agressive, confrontational behaviour from them, towards the dog, will suddenly make the dog a happy, non-confrontaitonal dog??????????

It really is extremely disturbing indeed. That dog has been turned from one that warns you that it's not happy into one that doesn't, greatly increasing the likelihood of a bite, followed by a one-way trip to the vet.

Vets had better stock up on pentobarbitone if this idiot is allowed to carry on.

There's an awful lot being said against this chap on TOS's FB page https://www.facebook.com/bbctheoneshow?sk=wall&filter=1, not one voice in defence of him....how cool is that !

Here's hoping the BBC takes notice, I don't belong to Facebook but glad no one thinks this chap is going about things the right way.

Just been to a talk today by author of "In Defence of Dogs", John Bradshaw. It's clear he is passionate about dog welfare, inluding welfare in training. As he signed my copy afterwards I asked if he knew about TOS's new recruit, who idolises a certain Mexican trainer. John looked dismayed and saddened. I may try contacting him via his website, as his support would be invaluable.

I've just emailed The APBC to ask them to complain to the BBC too.  Worth a try.

Not a pretty sight - and that trainer talking about 'challenging the dog' all the time. Poor little dog. I'm not a dog trainer, but perhaps if we are directing them to read this thread and sending in complaints, some of you who do know how to kindly redirect this sort of behaviour could tell them briefly what should have been done?

on mobile so can't quote you BUT after hearing the talk by John Bradshaw today, we have over thousands of years emotionally engineered dogs to value our trust above all else.

That is what they want and need. They need that bond and they crave it. Therefore any kind of 'training' that goes against the bond or could weaken it, is not conducive to dog-human relationship.

They are not the enemy; they are not trying to control us. If anything, they are desperately needing our approval and may go to great lengths to gain it - only to be smacked down again by some trainig regimes.

There's an element of emotional control in a dog, but only in the sense the dog needs enough emotional security to feel safe and flourish, like us.

They are not dumb animals, they are not taking over. We made them to be our equals and shadows and they know more about us than we've yet found out. Domination will not work. They may be attuned to us like no other species but that doesn't give us the right to abuse that trust WE bred into them.

I'm so relieved.......to read that you all thought this type of "training" was as outdated and appalling as I did.

Actually I didn't even see it (and don't think I want to), but I was chatting to somebody, can't remember who but when I do I might send them this link, who asked me if I'd seen the dog trainer on TOS.  I expressed mild interest (I have a nervous but naughty patterdale!), and they went on to describe what had happened.  I stood there with a fixed half-smile pasted on my face, wondering idly whether I should waste my breath rubbishing such an approach.  I didn't bother.  Just came back to my grouchy snarly duvet-hogging nervous dog and gave her a squeeze.

I have now, of course, managed to instigate a debate with my husband about the effects of "shouting" and intimidating a dog.  I was trying to explain that this "dominance" stuff is old hat, and he pointed out that screaming blue murder at our terrier when she is racing at 100mph, jaws agape, towards a horse in a paddock, was oddly more effective than waving a reward around.

*cough* ok I'll give him that one. :)

I watched it, was absolutely horrified by it, and like others, have complained about the insertion in a programme that will be watched by young children who might think that they can "train" other people's dogs .....

Who was that lad who posted on CD as a trainer some while ago??????????????   Knew everything about nothing?????

Oh god! could you imagine that ! " we're pleased to introduce to you this evening on The One Show our new dog trainer Mr ( sshht, you know who )" I think we'd all be down at A&E with collective heart attacks !

Bit funny for a show that supposedly wants to hear what its viewers think, and apparently discuss anything the nation is talking about,t hat they are NOT even acknowledging this and theres a heck of a lot of people talking about it!

I wonder if we might get to thursday and there will be no more mention of Jordan at all... hmm.

I also suspect he is the offspring/friend of offspring/is dating offspring of someone who works on the  show.. mm.

They probably haven't finished reading all the complaints yet !
I think they'll just quietly back away from the issue and he won't be seen again.
I think your right theemx, he probably is involved personally with someone on the production team, hope they're getting a sound knuckle rapping. 

Sometimes I wish I did Twitter, unfortunately I've tried and I just don't quite 'get' it. However anyone who does Tweet might like to check out several things filtering through tonight - namely, Dogs Trust are apparently lobbying the BBC to get this chap taken off air; the APBC is also looking into it; and allegedly the One Show has had twice as many complaints about this than any other previous feature and won't be continuing.

If that's all true then what can I say.....!! Dog Lovers of the UK Unite!!
There isn't a dog forum which hasn't been discussing this, with people complaining, I think it's great that we've been listened to :)

That is good! Now, if only they could run a dog training feature with good methods, or a 'how to buy a puppy' feature.....

>If that's all true then what can I say.....!! Dog Lovers of the UK Unite!!

Oh I do so hope it's true! And I hope we get an on-air explanation and apology, but that's probably wishing for the moon.

RESULT !!!....if it's true.

LOTS of negative tweets / comments about the One Shows dog 'trainer', shall be interested to see if there is a response!  Sadly can't view iplayer from o/seas, so hopefully the clip might be shown on youtube or similar.

Have you seen this?   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2039782/BBCs-The-One-Show-embroiled-animal-cruelty-row-trainer-bullies-Jack-Russell.html

Looks like we might have let them know we were upset!

It's on YouTube -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOelDN8JkVY&feature=youtu.be

Breaking news is that Victoria Stillwell has spoken out, and is worried that the family who own Roxy may have problems in the future. She has offered to fly over to the UK to help the family if they can be traced.
This is copied verbatim from her FB page:
I'm worried now that the family is in danger of getting bitten by their JR after the abusive techniques that were used by Jordan shelley on the BBC's One Show and if so the JR will get put down. If anyone knows who the family is, please tell them that I will come over to England free of charge and teach them how to stop their dog guarding in a humane and beautifully effective way. No point in just complaining, I want to save this dog and this family. Please send this to everyone you know.

The Kennel Club have issued a press statement regarding this chap's methods - as have the APBC.

This comment from the BBC doesn't fill me with hope though.
The BBC defended the trainer, saying Roxy's owners were happy with the outcome and that he would display other techniques in future programmes.

Future programmes !?, so much for them listening to their viewers.

I would not be surprised if the owners had to sign some kind of gagging clause prior to or soon after filming, that ensures that the BBC control any information, good or otherwise, around the whole thing. So, just because they do not speak out does not mean they are 100% happy and, of course, it is very early days.

Did you also note the comment from someone that he is 'supposed' to be on tonight Wed not tomorrow

Found this [url=http://coldwetnose.blogspot.com/][/url] doesn't look like we'll be seeing the back of him any time soon.

John Rogerson has spoken out about it now.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Jordan-Shelley-off-BBC-One-Show/152947724795742

RSPCA are investigating too, what the hell will it take to get rid of him ! he's like an STD !

> he's like an STD !

Not for the first time I am feeling rather sorry for this chap. 
Goodness knows how he got involved in the programme but he strikes me as someone just way out of his depth acting in ignorance. 
I bet he wished he had never grabbed what seemed like a fantastic offer of work! 
I certainly don't think he can have anticipated such a storm and I am not sure he deserves the sort of comments he seems to be attracting.

I've put in a complaint to Ofcom too.