This is not something I agree with totally, but in certain circumstances it may be acceptable for example a large breed bitch with an average litter size of 8 who has a very small litter 1 or 2. But in other cases I think they are just excuses. For example ive heard it's better for them to have 2 or more in succession than spacing them a year apart. So they have finished there maternal duties quicker! Personally I don't agree and think it's far better for mum and pups to have a gap of 12 months, as it takes so much out of mum how can the pups get everything they need if depleted of nutrients. And why be pregnant or nursing for 8 months out of 12!

Another is More chance of them catching on the bounce ( I think this is again another myth as in humans it easier for us to get pregnant straight after giving birth because of all the lingering hormones. But I imagine when has a litter all the hormones are gone and well out of the way by the next season?) I just think it's an excuse for those making money from their dogs and then these people are spreading this advice to other newcomers in the breed who take it as gospel. I can't see any benefit of doing it can anyone else?

Breeding on the bounce!  where on earth did that expression come from?  what a dreadful turn of phrase :-(

I got it from other breeders as thats the term they used!

> I got it from other breeders

Consider the source as they say!

'On the bounce' just means 'in a row' or 'back to back' or the like, though.  E.g. United have won their last 3 matches on the bounce.

It's not a particularly elegant turn of phrase, granted, but I've heard it used in lots of contexts....admittedly not in relation to breeding though.

> 'On the bounce' just means 'in a row' or 'back to back' or the like, though.  E.g. United have won their last 3 matches on the bounce.
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I guess that was what it meant, I have never heard it before.. in any context..  must admit I find it quite gutteral in this context :-(

No opinions on the actual act just comments on the turn of phrase?

The question has been done to death so perhaps its no wonder we talk about a novel turn of phrase. :-)

So there's no truths to these reasons they've given to back to back matings?

Ive been in this hobby too long to ..... never say never!

Okay so is it the same as using a 'fancy name'???
Noone has heard of Breeding on the bounce, so it sounds 'okay'
If said breeders say they are doing back to back mating, then everyone knows what this is!!!!
So is it a way of 'bigging up' what they are doing by using words????
Just a thought.
Lea :)

Back to back breeding is done by those who want to make money and come up with reasons for doing it which are based on being better for the bitch.

My girls take at least 10 months to get back in shape including their coats growing back in so no way could I put them through another pregnancy when on average the pups are only about 18 weeks old when the next season starts.

First time I have ever heard the term and never in relation to breeding dogs.  I have often heard the term 'back to back', especially with US contacts, along with the term breeding or bred meaning mating, but in UK we tend to see breeding on consecutive seasons, or without a break, which is more descriptive of what is happening.  Poor bitch not getting a break.

For me the only time it is acceptable is if the litter dies or there are less than two pups in breeds that normally have larger litters, and there is some time constraint (age of bitch or sire, availability of the stud) that makes the next season a must.

Even if the litter dies or is abnormally small the bitch has still gone through the pregnancy and whelping and all the strain that puts on her body so would not be happy to put her through a repeat performance 18 weeks later regardless of how sad I was about the poor result.

> Even if the litter dies or is abnormally small the bitch has still gone through the pregnancy and whelping and all the strain that puts on her body so would not be happy to put her through a repeat performance 18 weeks later regardless of how sad I was about the poor result.

Note I did add that there would have to be some other reason of timing (a now or never situation), though if all the litter dies I would have no hesitation mating the next season as the bitch will have had plenty of time to recover from pregnancy itself.

Certainly my bitches have been fully fit, though out of coat by the season after a litter, it's just I think they deserve to have some time off from motherhood as after all there are usually around 5 - 6 years in which to fit this in, even with the maximum 4 litters.

For example ive heard it's better for them to have 2 or more in succession than spacing them a year apart. So they have finished there maternal duties quicker!

Aaahhhh  the eternal excuse of the money maker!

The bitch will have finished maternal duties quicker - and then can be moved on to be replaced by yet another bitch who will produce at the same rate, then another one and so on :(  

For these people it really is ALL ABOUT MONEY!   they claim kindness in that passing the bitch on she gets one to one and a fireside home etc., but at the end of the day it's all about how much money the breeder can make whilst saving on outlay.   Older bitches take feeding and caring, they cost money to keep and they don't earn their way :( :(

I don't have any problem at all with the concept of breeding "on the bounce", "back to back" or whatever you want to call it and neither does the Kennel Club.  I think it is a red herring to believe that is the real issue. 
If she is fit, and I believe many will be, the real issue is whether the litter is justified and responsibly bred and that is all.

    > I got it from other breeders

Consider the source as they say!

You always take the words out my mouth :-)

> You always take the words out my mouth

:-) :-) xxx

I can't see any benefit of doing it can anyone else?

There is clearly no benefit why do you want to know if there was some possibility that there was.. they is no benefit to breeding a bitch full stop.

I understood breeders using ABS were not allowed to have litters less than 12 months apart from the same bitch[ I thought it applied to all breeders but was corrected by someone on here]so clearly the KC do have worries about back to back breeding.

> I understood breeders using ABS were not allowed to have litters less than 12 months apart from the same bitch

They regard that appropriate for only certain breeds, presumably in consultation with the breed clubs.
You can see which ones here
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/download/1100/abshealthreqs.pdf

>>another pregnancy when on average the pups are only about 18 weeks old when the next season starts.

My pups are 6 months old on Friday and no sign of a season.  She should have come in about July.  her last season was a 9 month gap (she knew what I was up to lol). 

Thanks for that,it must have changed because more than one person has mentioned the 12 month rule to me either online or verbally.

My breed doesn't have any recommendations on the KC site but no one I know does back to back breeding but there again none of them breed on a large scale either.

> Thanks for that,it must have changed because more than one person has mentioned the 12 month rule to me either online or verbally.

I don't think so but I think people get confused because the rule does apply to licenced breeders and sometimes breeders are both.
I know people in my breed who have had litters back to back.  I would not describe them as large scale.  People choose their timings for a variety of reasons.  I don't think it matters as long as the drive behind the litter is ethical and responsible.  Why would be any more so or not a year later?