Hi Everyone,

I made a vow at the beginning of the year not to use any make up/chalk on my boxers face/legs (Bracing myself for the why's/against KC rules etc I know but most in my breed do it especially when breed judges are judging). Anyways, after turning my boy around to show his best side and not used make up he has had some good placings at every champ show he's shown at so I deffo going to carry on as I'm going.

The only thing is, is that he has brown staining under his chin - prob. from his food, on his neck where his collar buckle goes and around his, erm willie area that won't come white with the whitening shampoo I normally use.

Has anyone used a vanish type product that gets rid of these stains or can recommend a wash out product that can help?

Many thanks,
Aimi.

There is nothing wrong with use chalk as a cleaning agent, just brush it out and it takes the dirt particles with it. 
Have to say I am "gobsmacked" regarding the makeup!!!!!  The sooner the KC gets this issue sorted out the better.

Have to say I am "gobsmacked" regarding the makeup!!!!!

Yes, well when its used badly, well, lets just say very obvious comes to mind !
As a novice though its what you are taught and you go along with it.
Suppose I'm more mature now.

I will give the chalk a go at home and brush it out.
Thanks

> Yes, well when its used badly, well, lets just say very obvious comes to mind !
>

I think it is the thought of applying it well and giving completely the wrong impression of the real dog that worries me more.

Well, people try to put white makup on a black mask dog to make it look flashy but however well it is done, you can always tell and makes me smirk!

Next time you're at a show, have a look in the boxer ring

> The sooner the KC gets this issue sorted out the better

I am 50/50 on make up/chalk, ovbiously everybody else does it so if you don't:
A.Your dog looks dirty even though it's not
B.You can look like a novice because you haven't followed the "trend"

If the KC came down on boxers for this I'd be pretty annoyed, especially as there's poodles in the ring with a tin of hairspray holding them up

But back to the original question........I clean my boys chins straight after feeding and they still have the brown staining, nothing I've tried has removed it.
I think it's just a natural thing.

> If the KC came down on boxers for this I'd be pretty annoyed, especially as there's poodles in the ring with a tin of hairspray holding them up
>

Two wrongs don't make a right. I hope they soon find a way of effectively policing it all.

>> If the KC came down on boxers for this I'd be pretty annoyed, especially as there's poodles in the ring with a tin of hairspray holding them up
>>
> Two wrongs don't make a right. I hope they soon find a way of effectively policing it all.

I never said it was right...........

so Stooge, do you just rub the chalk in dry on the brown areas then brush out? can't be that simple but hope it is. Any other tricks to make it work better?

I've shown Boxers for over 20 years now, I've used chalk and brushed/wiped it off with damp cloth on
socks and the white blaze. But I don't use it all the time, only if they appear a little grubby after being exercised etc.

But I can't see why people have to bother with the 'lipstick, powder and painting' that does go on...(it has got worse in recent years
as newcomers see the established top exhibitors doing it so think if it's ok for them it's ok for me)
I know people say it's a 'beauty show' so therefore they should be able to what they want to their dogs
to show them to their best advantage. But the extent to which it's done in the breed would raise quite a
few eyebrows in other breeds, if they coat tested the Boxers (faces/muzzles) very few would pass...sad but true.

A judge should be able to see past the lack of white markings on faces, they should be able to feel if a Boxer's
head has the required padding on the muzzle. The standard states that a Boxer shouldn't have more than one third
white..it doesn't state that all Boxers shown should have a symmetrical white blaze and four white socks...;)
Although granted it looks aesthetically pleasing.
Sadly thou some judges can't get past the white markings issue and this lends itself to people 'enhancing' the white
markings to try and even them out or create a white on a muzzle that's not even there..as they want to be on a level
playing field with their fellow breed competitors.

I think I'll stick with looking like I have dirty dogs or not following trend as it means that I have less to carry in the show bag..
and I don't have to get the palette out around the benches.
I've got everything but the kitchen sink in there anyway..and if my dogs can't win because I'm not painting them so be it.
Winning a rosette isn't everything :)
But if the KC came down on the 'enhancing' in our breed everyone would be on the same level playing field as those
that did it would have to stop...or risk being disqualified from their wins if caught.

Back to other poster's question, try using a little diluted hibiscrub as the red staining might be a bit of bacterial/yeast infection where food gets caught up in the folds under the chins or typically in between the toes. As has already has been suggested, clean the face after they've eaten with the diluted hibiscrub wash and you might find the staining issue gets better. :)

Hope this helps

> so Stooge, do you just rub the chalk in dry on the brown areas then brush out? can't be that simple but hope it is.

Yes, exactly that.  Dirt that dries to dust easily brushes out and if it doesn't it is probably held on by sort of grease or fat.  Chalk absorbs the grease or fat and carries it with it when brushed away.  Not always that simply because some things do stain but most dirt comes off pretty well.

My cardi bitch used to have pink stains run along her rear feet where she squatted for a wee as they wee on the patio it doesn't soak away like it would on grass and ended up staining her feet. Even washing her feet after a wee didn't help as they have access to the garden at all times I didn't always catch when she went. I tried so many whitening shampoos and none ever work, then at a exemption show one day there was a stall selling shampoos that were all natural with no nasty stuff in them and they had a whitening one called Artic white. I though I might as well give it a go and it was great after a couple of shampoo's she had sparkly white feet and the pink tinge is a thing of the past. It may be worth a go. http://shampoochshop.com/Ice-White-Shampoo-250ml-P1454841.aspx

Have you tried Groomers Goop which is sold by HUB? My Bernese has awful staining from his collar and I use this on a wet coat when bathing and it clears it right up, well worth the money..