Just seen this on an advert for my breed (from someone one who breeds very often - she currently has a litter and says in the ad that another 3 are due in Oct!)
''Perhaps I should do eye testing but I don't. Perhaps I should do hip scoring but I don't. These are requirements - I believe - to be in accordance with KC registered puppies - for such things as breeding and showing. For the normal pet owner who wants a normal loyal playful and loving companion, such things as eye tests and hip scores are totally unnecessary. Does that make me a bad breeder? Some would say yes. We are all entitled to our opinion.''
Aarrrggghh!!

Yes it does make them a bad breeder as they do not care to make it less likely that they will breed puppies with problems to cause heartache to new owners and pain/ill health to the pups.

It matters even more to a pet owner to have a healthy happy dog, as they re certainly more attached to their dogs than someone like this.

It makes me happy to know that all my oldies have lived a full and active life with no debilitating chronic health issues, and died with very little warning continuing as normal to almost the end.

I see too many people with dogs that ought to still be in their prime on pain medication, restricted lifestyle due to poor breeding practises.  Sadly many of these people think it is normal to have a badly arthritic or dysplastic dog by 7 years of age.

It's bad enough when occasionally something goes wrong despite the breeders best efforts.

wow and people still buy fom them after reading that?
So they say they breed 'loyal playful and loving companions', no mention of breeding healthy ones i see.
Health is one of the most important factors to any animal.
One of the first things my breeder told me when i inquired was dads test results and that if mum didnt get good results when tested the litter wouldnt be bred. 

> ''Perhaps I should do eye testing but I don't. Perhaps I should do hip scoring but I don't. These are requirements - I believe - to be in accordance with KC registered puppies - for such things as breeding and showing. For the normal pet owner who wants a normal loyal playful and loving companion, such things as eye tests and hip scores are totally unnecessary. Does that make me a bad breeder? Some would say yes. We are all entitled to our opinion.''
>

Maybe not - but it puts her at risk of being guilty of a breach of the Sale of Goods act.

No doubt her theory will be tested one day in court :-)

Gosh, her website certainly portrays her as 'different'. Obviously no compunction about back to back matings either.

M.

>For the normal pet owner who wants a normal loyal playful and loving companion, such things as eye tests and hip scores are totally unnecessary.

So it doesn't matter to a pet owner that their puppy might be crippled or blind within 4 years? How insulting.

No wonder pedigree dog breeders get a bad name as these are the ones seen -not everyone working quietly without shouting about it, doing what's needed. Jemima ought to be PMed with the advert details!

She wont care, she has a little fan club on facebook atm and every post someone mentions theyre litter of doodles on it, very few seem to know anything about health testing.

Slightly off the subject Lily Mc but how did you know who the OP was talking about and how did you find the web site of the 'breeder' in the advert that the OP saw?

I only ask as I read many posts and am always amazed how so many of you know whose bred what or who did what etc when all I can see is a post with no personal info on breeds etc.

Please forgive me for interupting the post.

>Slightly off the subject Lily Mc but how did you know who the OP was talking about and how did you find the web site of the 'breeder' in the advert that the OP saw?

Have PM'd you Pinky, to avoid posting links to the website and upping her advertising!

M.

Sounds more like a get-out statement from someone whose dogs would probably fail health tests anyway but is only in it for the money.

10 out of 10 for honesty though - even if it's been given the wrong kind of spin. And 10 more for creativity. Other than that, it boils down to yet another puppy farmer from the sound of it.

This made me laugh out loud, especially that last statement. Is she for real?!

We recentlyhad a puppy enquiry who contacted a newspaper ad, she asked if health testshad been carried out to be told no they don't believe in unnecessary operations and secondly,could they name any lines in the pedigree - unfortunately or I would say fortunately the BYB slammed the phone down !!!

On the plus side, maybe they are feeling the need to put this in their ads because so many enquirers are asking about health testing which has to be a good thing.  Ultimately, the power to stop these people breeding (as it is at the moment) lies with puppy buyers and if people don't buy their puppies, they will stop breeding them.

> On the plus side, maybe they are feeling the need to put this in their ads because so many enquirers are asking about health testing which has to be a good thing.  Ultimately, the power to stop these people breeding (as it is at the moment) lies with puppy buyers and if people don't buy their puppies, they will stop breeding them.

Afraid to say, it doesn't come across like that at all to me. It sounds like a knee-jerk reaction by someone who can't provide any health tests, or can't be bothered and is trying to put a spin on that fact in order to continue selling. I've posted before about the Cocker Spaniel my family bought in the late 60's which was from a puppy farm in Wales and was blind by 6 years old. Health tests weren't known about then, and puppy farms were a commercial secret. Which makes it worse, that someone is deliberately selling untested dogs in this day & age and trying to persuade buyers that tests are not needed. In the 60's there were no tests available. Deliberately breeding dogs with no tests nowadays, when it can be done, is guilty of neglect in my book.

> Which makes it worse, that someone is deliberately selling untested dogs in this day & age and trying to persuade buyers that tests are not needed.

I didn't mean to imply that there was anything good about someone deliberately selling untested dogs, simply that perhaps, at long last, the general public are becoming more aware about asking about health tests.  That's got to be a good thing.

Yes - I totally agree :)
I can't forgive someone like this who pretends health testing is unnecessary. No betterthan the puppy farmer who didn't know or care that Honey got blind, back in the 60's.
Thankfully ignorance is no defence in law, so this arrogant breeder refusing to test will eventually - god willing - be forced to face the error of their ways, and it's a whole lot easier to take to court than it was when Honey was alive.

Not read all topic yet..will do when i return from work...but what hope have the resposible breeders got with people like this...many more puppies are pets than show dogs so its possibly more important & actually my dogs are pets first, then show dogs.
Like you say Aarrrggghhh!!!!

"Does that make me a bad breeder? Some would say yes. We are all entitled to our opinion.''

Well, 10000 CDers can't be wrong!!!! It's an awful problem though--here's a recent example: this "breeder" belated hip scored his dog, but couldn't do the bitch as she was already in whelp; the puppies were sold quietly to people who didn't know better or didn't care. Now a year later this same character has repeated the mating, and has made a huge song and dance about "health tested parents" (the dam was hip scored). Interesting then that a 7 generation pedigree showed on the sire's side only at least one fitting dog in each generation, and one of these dogs is on the sire's side twice and the dam's once. When this was pointed out to him his reply was along the lines of "well, we haven't noticed any problems yet and if we do we will stop breeding from them." So much for health consciousness!

I've looked at the website mentioned in the original post and I can honestly say I've never read anything (dog related) so deeply flawed.  It's heartbreaking that one person who professes to love her breed can potentially do so much harm

She owns and uses her own stud dogs and breeding bitches, does back to back matings, is creating special colours, has pricing rates according to sex, age and colour, does not health test, says KC registration costs £200.  She offers her boys at stud and explains how you can breed with your unspayed bitch to keep pick of the litter and sell the rest.

The list goes on and it's written in such cod 'loving' language that one can only assume this woman has a complete deficit of self awareness.  She willingly states that puppies have been returned to her by unsuitable owners and that she is increasing her selling price to ensure this doesn't happen again.  In fact the amount of (to me) shocking information disclosed in such a casual manner is one of the most offensive things.  She certainly appears not to hide anything - underaged stud dogs, numbers of litters, puppy deaths.

I've rarely felt moved enough to take action but in this case I'd like to see laws changed to prevent this level of exploitation.  Some puppy owners would read her site and disregard her after one look but many other potential puppy owners may be susceptible to the "I love puppies" notes and poems on her site.  She is a court case waiting to happen and I have never felt more annoyed that good breeders get lumped in with people like this :(

does back to back matings

In regards to the back to back matings a excuse for this i saw on a group on facebook was it was the KC's fault as they allow them to do it! ,, when someone asked if the KC said jump off a cliff all went quiet. I feel so sorry for these animals :-(

Have PM'd you Pinky, to avoid posting links to the website and upping her advertising!<br />

Well by the time I'd trawled through all of that dribbling romantic gut turning diatribe she'd be the last person I'd want to by a pup from.

I got a real feeling of the lady doth protest too much.

You know that feeling you get when somebody says "I don't mean to be rude but...." then you know that they do mean to be and when someone says "if I'm being honest..." you know they're usually not.

She sounds like a total 'bat' with pups on tap.

Have read this thread with my mouth wide open! Could someone please PM me the site so I can have a look for myself?

These sorts of people will get their comeuppance, hopefully quickly as to avoid any more suffering of the poor dogs involved :(

Have read this thread with my mouth wide open! Could someone please PM me the site so I can have a look for myself?

Me to please.

I am shocked at the pure ignorance of what she/he has put. Its shocking that her outlook is clearly "money" related.

Please could those who want to identify the site being talked about send a message to marisa rather than posting here, thanks :-)