> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">No it turns out he is a learning mentor/teaching assistant but I still say the same anyone working in a school in such close contact with the students need to be a good role model. How can you mentor students whatever your role when you are involved with something like this. You have to set the right example otherwise it makes a mockery of what you do.<br /><br />Our kids deserve better <br /><br />from very cross of croydon

Absolutely!

Maybe there will be a grandma, grandpa and housewife party next year

Ummm...I think it's called the Tea Party. God help us.

www.operationcupoftea.com :-)

:-D :-D Ah, but they'll knock those whippersnappers into shape. :-)

> do they still read the Riot Act to mobs like this Liv?

Hahaha, now don't quote me on this I'm never sure if it's just a tale from my old Instructors at Hendon but, rather embarrassingly, I *believe* the last time the 'Riot Act' (as was) was read it was actually to police officers!!!!! of Liverpool who joined a strike in 1919! :-D

RELAX!! 

All is well. No need to worry.

         The police is going to squirt them with water:-(

We can rest easy!

www.operationcupoftea.com

That's more like it!

Oh gawd it's worse than I thought.... they've driven Toolz to have away that bottle of cooking Sherry we stashed at the back of the CD cupboard last year, for emergencies!!
:-O
... The Barstools

I was appalled to see the first one to be in Court was actually a Teaching Assistant - a far cry from the smiley picture in front of a computer. What kind of example is that to the kids in his school? Surely they have grounds to dismiss him!
As a teacher, I'm just ashamed that someone like that could be classed in the same job group as me!! OMG!

> Oh gawd it's worse than I thought.... they've driven Toolz to have away that bottle of cooking Sherry we stashed at the back of the CD cupboard last year, for emergencies

I think it had gorn orf ! :-(

>Hahaha, now don't quote me on this I'm never sure if it's just a tale from my old Instructors at Hendon but, rather embarrassingly, I *believe* the last time the 'Riot Act' (as was) was read it was actually to police officers!!!!! of Liverpool who joined a strike in 1919! :-D

According to  Wikipedia that is true :-o It was repealed in 1973 but I wonder if these mobs would be so keen to carry on if they knew this could happen!

If a group of people failed to disperse within one hour of the proclamation, the act provided that the authorities could use force to disperse them. Anyone assisting with the dispersal was specifically indemnified against any legal consequences in the event of any of the crowd being injured or killed.

>>No it turns out he is a learning mentor/teaching assistant but I still say the same anyone working in a school in such close contact with the students need to be a good role model. How can you mentor students whatever your role when you are involved with something like this.

Unforutately a lot of workers in my experience, not teachers though, resi, youth workers can and are as bad as the kids.  The amount of the that take drugs and turn a blind eye when the kids do it or are hungover.  Some just like to throw their weight around.  i've even seen seen a worker goading the child/youth to start on them so 'they can deal with them'.

i hope that at least one underage yob was from a resi home as its against their human rights to either lock the front door or block it to prevent the leaving regardless of their age and time of night.  You have to fill out a major incident report out the get an inquisition.  And we wonder why kids are such little shits!!!!

I don't care what it tastes like I need some too... Pass it over...;-)

I'm dreading this weekend, 12hr shifts plus as from tomorrow.. Gah!!! I was lucky to get off on time today, however i'm not going to be fit for anything come the monday night

I find the the almost constant complaints of how the police are dealing with things insulting. The media and individuals comments of how the police are not doing enough and then when we do respond we are accused of being too heavy handed. Its a lose lose situation and until these people making the comments have come face to face with these thugs (and that is exactly what they are) throwing bricks/petrol bombs and just generally attacking you in almost every possible way, you can't have a true grasp on what we are actually facing, so if force has to be used to stop these people then it should and will be used...or there will be a repeat of the pc blakelock murder.

As for the police dog incident....really?? Those people were out to cause trouble, he may well have been walking away but if that police officer asked him to walk away faster and he didnt and the dog bit...who's fault is that? Its the thug that didnt move faster. It's simple really, in situations like this, force is needed to gain control of the situation, how long should we spend moving these people on, its a clear message that unless you comply the dog will bite, its no good having an operational police dog if you are not going to use it.

With regards to water cannons...they do work (have you seen the force of them?!) but they only work in large crowds/protests, not groups that are split up.

Lets identify these people.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/metropolitanpolice/sets/72157627267892973/

http://www.met.police.uk/disordersuspects/

> but they only work in large crowds/protests, not groups that are split up.

Apparently they are too large and cumbersome to take into some of the areas where the trouble is too.  This thread is really interesting.  I am glad I don't have to decide what action to take but I hope all the words coming from politicians mouths will be turned into real action.  This was a situation just waiting to happen - now it has - everyone has to face up to it.  We have the Olympics next year - they will have to come up with solutions.

> I find the the almost constant complaints of how the police are dealing with things insulting

I agree - it would seem the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't :-(

Could the water cannons be deployed to mark the criminals with dyed water rather than being used for crowd control? If groups of rioters were covered in a dye that doesn't easily wash off it would make it easier for people to identify and report those involved in the incidents. Not sure if that is possible but the rioters would be easily identifiable if they were covered in purple dye.

My OH has said exactly the same thing ,some sort of dye so that they can be recognised or have to go into hideing until it wears of ,Also could it not be made to ruin their clothing .If they thought that their best clothes & or trainers where going to be ruined it might make them pause.
Cannot facebook /blackberry not identify these people so that the police could follow up /track them down.
I do agree that they should be made to pay for all damage done & all property stolen plus a contrubuition to pay for all extra pay for extra policeing & cleaning up the streets .
I also think that under a certain age the parents must be made to pay in some way.then perhaps next time they will police their little darlings  themselves .

just watched the news and the broadcaster said the courts have been open all night and most being put through the courts where from disadvantaged backgrounds then in the next breath said such and such has been charged with taking £5,000 pounds worth of clothes from a shop and her father is a millionare if he thinks she is from a disadvantaged background wonder what i come under then.

I have heard that some countries do use a dye with the water and another one was  something called skunk ( no not that skunk or the furry one !) which is sprayed all over the crowd and stinks for ages on skin and permanently on clothes both would help with identification. Perhaps one of our police cd's would know what I am talking about.
Am looking hard at those pictures be interesting to listen to conversations when the teachers  get back to work in september maybe some useful information will surface.
As someone said jokingly do you remember those essays you had to write at school  after a holiday about what you did ? well that could make interesting reading lol

3 mown down by a car and murdered, what a sad sad atate of affairs.
I have been incensesd by BBC news interviewing some "lady" was it in Manchester - "jog on" - about police killing for no reason in London and the shop owner asking her whats that to do with stealing? I dispair, these people are raisng kids and they are pig ignorant.
Or the idiot saying it has to be done because the "poles" are all over here taking all the jobs.!!!!!!!!

Am I living in the same world as these people!

Use indelible ink - purple for ever so they can be identified and not ever breed!

Its also true that a learning assistant, graphics worker, IT technician all found guilty its all mob violence and 1 bloke drove up from Winchester (where Im from) to join in.

NO moral standards and no idea at all what right or wrong is, and yes I will be paying either through tax or Insurance increase for the millions that it will cost to rebuild - it is soul destroying and Im feeling very weary.

Lets hope this is the end of it all, to all you in the police well done, emergancy services as well, Im proud of you all.

Viv

someone arrested for mowing down those three young lads

Well I'm behind you Drover and all the emergency services. As for the police dogs they're not there as pat dogs are they and I hope the ones injured are ok.

I dont know what planet the politicians are on, they've shut down a police station in our county nearest to the motorway so already stretched resources have further to go to attend incidents, madness!
A few politicians are very wealthy- I would like to see them spend a year living in an inner city suburb and another year working for a small business BEFORE they get voted in, then they'll have an idea of real life.

Then, in my pipe dream I would like all parents to be parents & teach guidance and respect and if this means NOT being their kids best mate then so be it. ALL absent fathers would be made to pay for their offsprings ubringing, if they haven't got the money then they do community service in kind. Getting pregnant should not be an automatic passport to accommodation and other freebies. Remove all gyms from prisons and young offenders institutions, make it a punishment not a holiday camp.

Now I'm off to have a lie down.

Sadly the complete disrespect for moral values goes much further than the mobs on the street...we'd do well to remember that.

http://nathanieltapley.com/2011/08/10/an-open-letter-to-david-camerons-parents/

Me too I have never felt so involved in anything as I do these riots its totally appalling.

I know this won't be a popular view but I'd like to see the return of the Billy Graham-type campaigns that we had in the 1980s. People need to know that there's a better way to live their lives.....

May be you are right but would this country allow it, it may affront the Muslims?
But i remember the tent up on the common and all those "wierd" americans - that brings back memories but it was before Billy Graham I think?? 1960's?

I would not reject anything that could give us moral guidance - who knows?

Well I have just been refused patio gas, calor gas and not allowed to fill my petrol can at 4 garages!! I wasn't even wearing my hoodie :) We re seting off for Bournemouth this afternoon and I hadn't even contemplated that getting supplies would be a problem.

> >Billy Graham-type campaigns that we had in the 1980s.

I've not heard of that before. 

I've not heard of that before.

Meetings were held at large venues, mostly football stadia, in several main cities - Bristol, Liverpool etc.
Billy Graham was a very charismatic preacher who was used by God to spread the Christian message.

> ALL absent fathers would be made to pay for their offsprings ubringing

Whoops be careful with that one - there are lots of fathers who are kept away from their offspring and feel very angry about it! 

> I would like all parents to be parents & teach guidance and respect

But you have no say who your children's friends are going to be - during teenage years children don't always listen to parents and follow their peer group - my own daughter was very influenced by her friends who thankfully were not criminals or drug takers but nevertheless encouraged my daughter to go against us.  After a few years messing around she came back home with some sort of idea what to do with her life but we did have a worrying few years.  She is now an upright citizen and a mother herself who tells us what is what. 

But you can influence your children if you are at home with them, interract with them and have their friends around to you. It starts at age 3 onwards. One of Ben's mates was a horror we all warned him, when they got into bother with a BB gun aged about 12 we groundsed Ben for a month, later at 15 it was that boy's sister that got them all horrifically drunk prior to a school trip to Italy.

At 16 he realsied he was "full of s**t" after the boy took a knife into school and he never mixed with him again - it took time but Ben needed to see what this kid was doing was harmful and wrong.

They all will do things you dont like, they will do "bad" things (in our case end up paraletic) but with love and understanding they come all right in the end. When Helen left Ben he was broken hearted (still is a bit 2 years on) but it was too me that he came and talked, because he knows I will always be there, he is part of me and I him - not mushy we just are.

With guidance ALL their lives you instill in them values for themselves, and for others. Yes he smoked, drank but he has never made me ashamed of him - Im proud of him as a person and I like him.

My other son is blooming now as well, a difficult son but with strong moral values, almost too strong on occassions as he can dismiss people without taking into consideration others feelings, but Im proud of him to.

You can influence kids part of it is being there with them and not sitting them in front of a tv or games machine - TALK TO THEM.

Viv
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Greats it has started those not involved who are insensed with what has happened are allready being affected by what these idiots have done
Quite right I suppose that no one can fill petrol cans at the moment ironic sawheties considering your career but affecting the inocent non the less

Hope you have agreat Bournmouth show anyway, getting away from the area will be nice ,
I am finding so depressing driving around croydon. Not as a sightseer  I add just in my daily life. makes you feel dirty and a shower wont cure it either

Whistler Yes I guess because it is so close to home it is one of the few things that I have felt so involved with my own community turning on each other

Perhaps boys are different Viv - my daughter was a drama queen and we were the big bad parents - her friends encouraged her but only one ever came to our house on a regular basis - she would rather go to other people's houses - and what made me so cross with other parents was - they never asked - where does your mother think you are.  They were quite happy to let her stay for several nights.  I would be the stupid one phoning them to ask if they had seen my daughter.  They had their children safe at home - they had their own problems and they didn't much care for anyone elses.  I went out to work and my daughter was still in bed - free lessons she used to say - I would come home and she would go out.   I don't understand how the children these days have so many free lessons.  When I was doing A levels I had to beg an extra period in the library to do my work by dropping a PE lesson.  I had very little free time and even had to fit an extra lesson in after school.  We were not allowed out of school during the day either.   Times have certainly changed.

I can safely say if she's doing A level, those "free lessons" are supposed to be time ffor her to work on the subjects she takes, NOT sleeping. I think they should be called study lessons not free lessons. In my school, those lessons are now supervised and a register is taken. :-)

Yes I can back that up soi called free lessons are for srudy some schools manage it as ludivine said others leave it to the student to manage. It is very difficult to get a child up and out of bed they refuse been ther for years .

sorry  about that post reread it on the computer originally done on my blackberry and my typing is awful :(
What I meant to say is trying to get a determined child out of bed for shcool is almost impossible believe me I have been through enough of this both professionally and personally to be able to speak from experience:)
Hopefully your daughter will be doing what she needs to do even if she isnt using those "free" lessons for study.
I have even met year 11 students who have tried to tell me they have free lessons in gcse timetables and can therefore go home as they can do what they like no... I dont think so At least at year 11 they are still under school leaving age
Yes I was also the mother in the group who was ringing up finding up where she was knocking on doors when I couldnt get replys. Sometimes what I found was not what I wanted to find, no parent or parent having told me they were going to be there actualy out or going out and leaving a houseful of teenagers maybe if I was "lucky" an older brother as the nominal adult. No wonder the children prefered not to be at home when you can have a free house or a house where parents were the childrens friends
It can be a nightmare even when you are the responsible parent but can be upagainst notjust peer pressure but oother parents to who seem to think allowing your child to stay over an dthen not need to come in at night is acceptable
oops off at another tangent

Christine I can only speak from experiance but I have noticed most about 90% of them in court are male not females. I was always soo pleased I had only boys, I had my share of step children (female) and what with me having brothers and son's I had the easier ride!!!
I have one step daughter that I cannot abide with at all her actions to her Dad are sickening and she never ever ever said thankyou for anything.

Hello to you all i hope you all ok after the recent trouble wanted to come on and say how utterly terrifying it was here in peckham, im basicly right in the middle of peckham and old kent road so the youths passed right thu us all to get up to okr to loot the shops their,,,

i was so worried they'd burn my car as they went by but thankfully it was safe,

peckham gang members are now appealing to their local community to unlock their wifi connections so they can gain access to free internet on their stolen laptops!,   

hi chelzeairl pleased to hear from you and that you and yours are fine. It was awful here in croydon to the place is a wreck and I guess your area is too. Very scary for you having them pass so close .
Poor little gangs cant use their laptops my heart bleeds :(

OMG!! your in Croydon, i feel for you really i do, its disgraceful what they done their and Clapham i cant believe it, i honestly think we didnt get it as bad as the likes of your are and some others, but then i put that down to us not having as many really good shops,
my son was teaching at Huskys in walworth road on monday night as it all started must say i was petrified for him and how he'd get home but his good friend gave him a lift poor lad had to go on to lewisham,  so scary,
i was caught in a shambles coming back from picking up my younger son from a friends house and the gangs where setting fire to the cars in front of us as they made their way from peckham to walworth road , i felt like i was escaping from a war torn country it was utter madness,

see lots of youths riding bikes carrying boxes of stuff,
on Tuesday i went to Morrison peckham as it was open but as i was going round with my trolly at around 12 noon the alarms suddenly went off and we where all made to leave as they where ment to have been coming thu cambellwell, 
dont think anything actually happened tho, dont think my nerves can take much more,

i do however thing that peckham got off lightly only few cars and one shop i think got really burnt out, Your Croydon furniture store watching that and hearing the history on the news breaks my heart xx,

totally losing faith in society as a whole,,,xxx

Yep losing faith too. yes that poor family the reeves it is just somewhere that you know is there the area is called reeves corner. Drove past a couple of time this week and all you can see is a large pile of rubble and a few bits sticking up awful. Then they have closed most of west croydon to Thornton Heath becasue of burnted out buildings after that its just the boarded up shops. cant imagine how long it will take and thoose poor people who lost their homes and businesses. the size of the cranes they have bought in is amazing
Far too many new trainers and bikes around too !hurmph.
Think you experience was far scary than mine I am just the other side of the hill so could see the smoke and watch the pictures and get very annoyed listening to the sirens and hoping our high street was going to be ok
then of course their was random burning and looting in new Addington as well but the residents soon put a stop to that. oNe thing about that area they do stick together

Glad that those in the area's affected are OK - it must have been terrifying to be in the midst of it - it simply isn't what you expect in Britain!