Hi,  here is my story.  I conversation one day a friend mentioned that she was having one litter of her bitch and moving her on as her husband never really liked her and she wanted to concentrate on the other two dogs she has.  So seeing as I loved the bitch for her temperament looks ect, and thinking that she could do better in the show ring offered to take her.  To be honest she was a little neglected but not in a nasty way, just in lack of time.  At first she didnt look her best, was very nervous and unsure of other dogs, but now 4 weeks later she looks 50% better, has began to accept my other dogs, and is now walking down the mat with her head up and confident.  NOW for the issue, the previous owner keeps changing her mind over her breeding terms!  I have suggested  things to her even made up a dummy contract to dwell over and yet again these things that we agreed on have changed again.  I have tried to protect her by putting in a clause that she has a max of 3 litters and that if due to medical reasons she cant have anymore that she doesnt.  I suggested a 50/50 split on litters and 50/50 split on costs.  With her picking the stud dog each time. 

But now things are changing again, I know thats the risk of having a bitch on breeding terms, but I really dont want her to go back because she is so happy and her confidence is increasing each day.  Thing is were do we go from here.  I cant stand that she is constantly changing her mind and not getting this agreement signed.  Somebody has suggested looking at  the bitch on loan agreement that the kennel club has but I cant find any information online.  How can I get her to put the dog first.  Any suggestions?

With the loan agreement (there is a form on the KC site) you would have control over everything, the bitch would be in the original owners name but any pups would be in your name.  You need to pin her down and get it sorted - whatever it is that you want, put it in writing and ask her to sign it or say she must have her back (she wont want her back I'm sure)  However be careful because she can have her back at any time and if she looks worth having back she may just take her as you've put the work in to get her looking good.... however good a friend she is, it seems like she's not doing the best for the dog or for you!

Ask her what money she wants for her and buy outright!

Hi, thanks I will try and find the form.  I have tried to ask her to sign her into joint names, so I have some protection.  Unfortunatley, she wont sign her over until she has had at least one litter.  I know really thinking of the dog!!

I would have expected to sign something before taking on the dog so both sides knew where they stood.

When I got one of my girls the agreement stated that I was to give them a pup of their choice from the first litter she had for me, if there wasn't a pup that fitted their programme then when I sold the pups I would pay them the price of one pup, the dogs ownership was signed over to me from day one and they got their pup 2yrs later.

I have read of co ownerships going wrong so many times because one or other side keeps moving the goal posts because it wasn't put down on paper and signed.

All sorted now, agreements signed, witnessed and copies made.  Friendships remade.  It appears that the local show gossips had been interfering, and telling big lies about her well-being.  So she kept moving the goal posts as she was nervous that she was doing the wrong thing.  Some people only think of the trouble they can stir and not about the well-being of the animal.

phew, glad it's sorted, wish people would keep out of things but at least it's sorted :-)