following on from my other post about slip matings. I was just wondering if people charged a stud fee for slip matings? This breed apparently usually pays the stud fee at the time of mating rather than waiting to see if the bitch is pregnant which is what I am more used to.
if we don't get a tie but only more slip matings I was just wondering whether people would charge a stud fee? or would a reduced fee be charged? The dog is definitely getting well inside the bitch and only slipping out once he stops thrusting so I am thinking she could still get pregnant from this?

If a mating took place even without a tie then the bitch owner should pay the agreed fee and come back the next season if there are no pups.  

A slip mating may result in pregnancy, adn it does soudn like the dog is ejaculating, but personally I think the fee shouls only be paid if and when pups arrive.

To be honest, i feel you pay for the service offered as well as the mating, the stud owners time, effort, help and advice so i was more than happy to pay at the time of mating.

I ask for payment with a free return should no pregnancy follow.

I favour the idea of paying a set amount for the service and the rest on the birth of pups. It's how a lot do it in my breed. £100 on the day and the remainder when pups are born. The £100 is non refundable and is to pay for the stud dogs owners time and effort.
Even with a good mating and tie it's done this way.
Leaves you free to go to a different dog next time if there are no pups without  upset to anyone.
I know some people charge a fee on the day then so much per live puppie born, Just another way of doing things.
Aileen

> I ask for payment with a free return should no pregnancy follow.

I think this is what my friend is planning to do. Just wondered as we are both putting quie a lot of time and effort into getting this girl mated, including boarding her for a week so it didn't seem quite right to not charge something.

>If a mating took place even without a tie then the bitch owner should pay the agreed fee and come back the next season if there are no pups. <

I'm the same, we always charge once a mating has taken place, slip or tie, why would you not pay just because it's a slip? The same amount of time and effort goes into the process regardless of wether they tie or not, and to be honest we have a pretty good success rate with several litters produced from slip matings.

As a bitch owner in a breed where slip matings have rarely resulted in puppies I would not consider a slip mating a mating as there is no evidence that the mating has been effected and the required deposit made.

More often than not slip matings occur in my breed when the bitch isn't yet quite ready so further matings with ties would e expected.

I know that in some small breeds slip matings as the norm are found so that would be different, but if I had a male that usually tied I would not want to risk his stud reputation on a slip mating.

I am in a breed where stud owenrs usally wait until there are pups on the ground before wanting to be paid, and that is with them going beyond the call of duty re meeting part way, boarding, collecting or returning a bitch, hospitality etc.  I have had one of my bithes spend two weks with the satud and miss and then spend a month with him as she had a split season, stud fee payable after litter born. 

Then again we don't have dogs being used at stud where the owners of dog and bitch do not know each other.

What do you class as service from the stud dog owners?  I know that the last three times I've done all the work with little or no involvement from the owner of the stud dog.  I actually don't mind that but just wondering what people think it totally covers?

I have just sat back and let the stud owner do the business, they had way more experience than me, I watched closely to pick up tips for future use.

Each time accommodation has been found for me in the area to stay a few nights as had travelled 200 miles and she took me out for a meal or fed me at home.

The £200 stud fee was well worth it.

I suppose not all stud owners are the same.

Our breeds stud fees are a lot more :d 

That seems more than fair for such a low stud fee. 

Stud fees in my own and many breeds are the price of a puppy (£650 - £700), but puppies are not as pricey as some breeds where 3 figure sums are sometimes the norm, and ditto for stud fees.

Maximum price I have heard on the grapevine is £550 for a certain champ but a stud who is also a champ I haven't used yet is £350,some charges vary depending on whether the stud is proven or not, our litters are small only 3 or 4 pups usually and sell for approx £800.

I suppose paying higher if there are going to be a good number to sell is OK but as I only breed to keep something back from 3 pups there isn't much choice.

The average litter size based on registrations over recent years is 5 - 6 in my breed. 

I agree that something should be charged for the time/boarding etc - this is where the handling fee method of charging is fairer.  You get something for your time in achieving a mating - even if it is only a slip mating and then another payment when puppies arrive.

I would suggest that the 'deal' is signed now so there are no arguments if/when pups arrive.

Did they actually manage to achieve a tie?

Tried once again yesterday after noon with book but still no tie. will try again tomorrow.

the best thing really is for stud and owner to be absolutely clear about terms.  I know in my breed stud terms are rarely if ever written down, but ti would save a lot of misunderstanding if all the eventualities are covered before the bitch comes in season.

People never used to use Puppy contracts it was all verbal, but it has become a neccessity, maybe stud contracts will be the same in future.

A repeat stud fee in our breed is charged if the female is not pregnant, maybe try holding the dogs together a while longer so the male swells up properly, just a thought, good luck x

Never heard of a repeat fee being charged if there are no pups, glad I am not in your breed as I have a bitch who has failed 3 times to get pregnant to outside studs and then was allowed to bring my other girl at no extra cost, think the stud owner felt sorry for me trying to have my first litter, sticking to my plans of using outside studs first  and not taking the easy option and using my own male.

Eek sorry i meant to put not charged,  :-(