hi all, i havent been on champdogs for a long time now, and im on here despairetly asking for help. my story is quite long so here it goes. i have 4 sbt's and out of the 4 i have 3girls, 2 of my girls are 3 years and one of them who is the mother is 5, two days ago they all got into a massive brawl where my older girl ended up being injured badly, i have tried to think what i can do, and iv rang various ppl and nobody wants to know1 everyone just assumes because of their breed they are viscious and uncontrollable, iv now decided that the best option is to try to remove the most dominant girl from the group. but we need to find someone who knows exactly what im talking about so i turned to you here on champdogs, what we have realised is that she needs a home with people who dont have dogs as were very unsure now how she will be. we dont want to take money for her, she is absolutely gorgeous and its hard to right this without feeling sick. if i could i would keep them all but its not a good situation at all, so if anyone knows anyone who would take her from me and give her a loving home please let me know, she does have kc papers and she is spayed and everything else. i know the papers arent compulsary as its more about a home for her. hopefully someone on here might be able to help me, i wouldnt have asked anywhere else as i know everyone on here are massive dog lovers, i have not asked or put her on the net as i dont think anyone will understand me, like i say the breed puts people off,  i dont want to look or feel like im giving up on her its just unfortunate that i didnt think this would ever happen otherwise i would have never put any of my dogs in htis situation. thanks for reading xxx

if anyone has any other ideas or suggestions im open to it.... thanks xx

Sorry you are in such a sad situation and hope your older girl recovers.  Not sure what to suggest really, I know the breed rescue is probably full to bursting but they may have some relevant advice for you.
Sorry I'm not much help
Mel

its awfull as i dont want to jus get rid of her but its for the best, me and my partner said no way to rescue as we have seen how many staffs are in there and may never get a home. thanks for the reply. iv now tried the vets and a few friends are asking around, i want her to go to someone who i or a friend or relative knows, xxx

Have a look at the recent thread about 2 bitches fighting. (think it was by worriedowner,) there was a lot of advice on there that may help you but would take an age to repeat.

just a few things to think about:
Have they ever had any issues before? ie guarding food toys, grumbles or anything?
What sparked the fight? are any of them due in season, were there warnings or did they just fly straight in?
the fight was with all 3, I think you said you want to re-home the older bitch (cant see your post whilst typing), are you sure she instigated it?
if it is a hierarchy thing and you take away the older dog I wouldn't be sure that the younger two won't carry on fighting between themselves for rank.
what makes you say she is the most dominant?
If you have 3 and one is more submissive I might consider rehoming the more middle ranking one and hope the other 2 settle happily with one clearly being boss dog. if 2 bitches are more alike I think they are more likely to fight. Would you consider getting a behaviourist in to observe them and advise which would be the best one to rehome?

just re-read and saw that its not the oldest bitch you want to re-home. think most of what I said still applies though.

TBH I think you're right to be very concerned, as they are a breed that could do a lot of damage. are you keeping them separate now.

good luck,

I don't really have anything about the re-homing situ but I have been through the same thing.  I had a mother and daughter pair.  The daughter had an awful attitude and started brawls all the time and the mother used to stick up for her daughter and get involved too.  They turned into a sort of gang and totally intimidated all the other dogs in our home and outside.  We were lucky enough to find a great home for the daughter but her mothers temprement was ruined forever as was relationships with our other dogs.  Just because you remove the dominant bitch, don't think it'll all be over.  They will probably need to sort out the pecking order again but the problem there is, bitches hold a grudge!
I would maybe consider a outside kennel and separate 2 and 2.  Staffies are notoriously hard to re-home(especially with history).  Does no-one in your family who knows your dogs, not want a dog?  Or friends?  Or maybe advertise but I would'nt give her away.  A staffie with a fighting streak?  I don't need to tell you what to watch for do I?

the worst thing is we werent in, if i have to be homest the one i need to rehome is the bossy one, they are all spayed, the vet thnks it was because the older one has a cough and he thinks they may have pestered her whilst coughing resulting in this. they have had grumbles in the past but nothing major xx

this is why i dont want her to go, i have asked fam members to keep an eye out for anyone who may be after a staff, xx

yeah they are separate as the mother is still in the vets.

Is it not workable? If they have never had a fight to this extent it MAY be a one off, i know bitches generally hold grudges but if they can live in the same house without wanting to kill each other it surely may be workable and worth a try at least? You could seperate them when you are not around to supervise?

There are so many in rescue it must surely be worth waiting it out until the elder one is back from the vets and seeing how things go from there.

What a rotten situation for you, you have my sympathy.
Unfortunately the rescue situation with SBT's is at bursting point, trying to re-home one who has aggression issues with other dogs, while not uncommon, will be doubly difficult, there are so many out there, that people will naturally choose a dog who has no aggression issues over one that does. I think your best bet would still be a breed specific rescue who will help you find a suitable home, the down side is that most rescues work on a fostering basis so you would probably have to hang on to her until a suitable home came forward, which could take a long time. I think that even The Dogs Trust have closed their doors to Staffies as they were flooded with them, a lot of the big rescues are just putting them down if they have any aggression problems as they just can't cope with the numbers that are coming through their doors.
Sorry I can't be more positive , I have a dog aggressive SBT myself and am under no illusions that if any thing happened to me the likely hood is that Daisy would have to be pts .

Here I go again, just wrote an essay and then computer crashed and all wiped out, lets try again.

Firstly sorry about the whole situation it's heartbreaking, but let's try a little hope.

If this happened due to the fact that the 5yr old had a cough and was acting sickly it is understandable that some bitches may take this as an opportunity to oust the top bitch either to take the top role as a sickly alpha will not be tolerated by a bitch wishing to climb the pecking order or because dogs (some) don't like what they don't understand and will attack something acting strange. It may not have been hierarchy issues.

Also due to you not being there, your presuming it was the more pushy bitch, I would presume that also and maybe the other bitch also joined in or not, but, we don't know you weren't there, what if you are thinking of homing the wrong bitch????????

Until you get the 5yr old home, you don't know any facts about anything. You don't know if this is a fight that will be unforgiven by both bitches and it is now to the death.  Or if the 5yr old is now ousted as top bitch and will surrender to the 3 year old.  Or if the 3yr old will once again fall back into place when the 5yr old is fit and well again.

IMO you need to carefully integrate when everyone is healed again and judge the hierarchy changes or challenges, keeping crates or dog gates in use until you can see if the dynamics have changed.

If it is all out war, then I agree a rescue is the last place right now. I'm so pleased that she is spayed, I would never have re-homed an unspayed bitch especially as the SBT is used and abused so badly today.

I hope that someone on here knows of a good home that could be offered, it must be a nightmare.

But let's try a little hope first, and see how things are between the girls once the oldest girl is back from the vets.

i know, they did have a fight 3 weeks ago all 3 of them it was 5 in the morning and me and my partner shot out of bed to break it up! disgusting as it is i think it was over feaces! unfortunately iv tried everything to stop them eating it but nothing works!

i rang the lady who runs the local sbt rescue and she cant help me as she also has too many! i even rang some of the guys who i know that breed and show theirs and nobody is interested. xx

hi carrington, thanks, i am also thinking of rehoming the the other 3 year old bitch, i have a home for her, she will settle with my partners mam and her daft chock lab! i just wish i could go back a few years when i decided to keep 2 out of my litter, and id turn it all around, i do hope also that someone on here knows someone who would take her from me! iv spoken to many ppl today and they sayin advertise her in the paper and shops, but i want her to be with someone i know or a friend knows!  xx

drover i couldnt bring myself to put her in rescue centres, because i know the drill, i just wish it was easy to say there u go, you take her but its not as nobody seems too eager, xx

its starting to also cause massive problems between me and my partner which is so sad too, xx

Could you find temporary foster homes for one or morw of the dogs while you plan what to do? It would give you and your partner some space, as well as the dogs.

iv tried this too and everyone i know has dogs already, xx

Firstly I am really sorry you are going through this. I have sent you a pm.

what about a kennels? I know it would cost but might be worth it to give you a weeks breather to think about things.

In speaking to Staff breeders and exhibitors at shows I was under the impression that same sex dogs are never left together unsupervised.

Staffords can live alongside other dogs but there are some very important facts that you need to consider before committing yourself.  If you have a Stafford alongside ANY other dog it is always recommended that you separate them whenever you are not around to supervise them.  What may start out as harmless play can swiftly become World War Three and if you aren't there to put a stop to it you may well come home to find dead or dying dogs (and that is NO exaggeration!)  It is also a HUGE mistake to own two male Staffords. They may well get on together initially but at some stage one is going to challenge the other for pack leadership and when that happens you will find yourself in an untenable situation. I'm afraid even neutered dogs that have got on well together in the past can fall out.

Taken from East Anglian SBTC site, i think a lot of Staff owners with multiple dogs tend to leave them in multiple rooms when unsupervised.

well i didnt know this untill now. hence the problem im having x

well i may have some good news!!! when i had my litter 3years ago a lovely family took one of my puppies, i text her today to ask if she new anyone who might have my girl, and her sister is very interestd, shes coming to see her in an hour, i know she will fall in love with her soon as she sees her! she has no dogs also so its the perfect situation for all of us! so fingers crossed xxx

That is good, but based on advise from breed experts I would separate the others when you are out.

we have got the other 3yr old gonig to my partners mams and were paying to get her boy neutered so hopefully one big happy family again! so il be left with my old girl and boy and thats it, x

That is good news, hope it all goes well.

Definitely agree!  Same sex Staffords tend to (once they've had one serious scrap) not get on ever again.  Never ever ever would leave more than one Stafford unsupervised when out.
In the interim, I suggest crate training, and get them separated!

edit, as I've just seen your last post deansami.  Even if you're left with one male & one female, my suggestion would still stand - when unsupervised, still separate.

>>>>Taken from East Anglian SBTC site, i think a lot of Staff owners with multiple dogs tend to leave them in multiple rooms when unsupervised.<<<

I seperate all regardless of sex - even though they get on together when you are there its just not worth the risk when you arent there

>>>>Taken from East Anglian SBTC site, i think a lot of Staff owners with multiple dogs tend to leave them in multiple rooms when unsupervised.<<<

I seperate all regardless of sex - even though they get on together when you are there its just not worth the risk when you arent there

thanks all for your help, i have made some positive descisions over the weekend, and my 2 3year olds have got new homes, my dominant girl has gone to a beautiful home with 2 lovely people and she is only 10 mins up the road, and the other one went to me partners mothers with her chock lab, she is getting on great with him. however we are going to pay for him to be neutered as he is daft! i am pleased with my descisions, as much as im upset that this got this far, i know they are in a better place, it just wasnt fair on us and any of the dogs, even the ones that attacked, if i had have known i wouldnt have put any of us in this situ!!! but hey, lesson learned. so im now back to my first 2 staffs and my home smells less lol, their is less hair ect lol. xxx

Well done, seems a good out come all round.