Same I've often thought what sweet natures they have, I have another friend who recently bought a whippet from a dodgy breeder who does it to make a bit of cash she paid £250 for her without papers as to be registered the breeder had to pay another £100 and she's been at the vets 5 times so far for this thatand the other, her temperament isn't great either. I don't know what planet people are on really :(

>at the kennels if anybody wants to book in a designer doodle she says you have a 'mongrel'.

That's really just rude.

Yes, we may not agree with the silly names and dubious breeding but the vast majority of these dogs are just much loved family pets at the end of the day. 

I'm glad I've never knowingly been on the receiving end of such snobbery for daring to own an unusual crossbreed. 

me neither ...........

OMG - just seen this in my local paper....

SHUGS
Shih tzu x Chug (I can imagine what this is).... not only are we getting stupid crosses we are now getting crosses with other crosses.

They were - wait for it - £500. Unbelievable!!

I saw dobermann x ridgeback pups advertised in the paper yesterday! I wouldn't mind if the breeders just said these designer cross breeds were cross breeds, not make up silly names and spin them a line about how the definately won't moult etc and charge them an absolute fortune!

Gema a chug is a pug x chihuahua  so a shug would be a shih tzu x with a chiuahuax pug

Forgot to post this yesterday. While out walking we met a Spaniel x basset. Ower had paid quite a bit for it. It was a Spasset!!

In a local newsagents window there are Parson terrier x Kerry Blue terrier and just saw ad on some site for Floodles....you've guessed Flattie x Poodle......at £750!!!!

Same website selling bulmastiff X Jack Russells :-(

please dont jump down my throat,because i dont agree with these crosses either,but i asked a very clever friend of mine who has trained and bred dogs for over 40 years(just wanted to establish that hes well respected in the dog world)as he has bred crossbreeds for working purposes,what he thought about all these designer crosses,stating that people are charging hundreds for basically mongrels.He took me aback a bit because he wasnt against them,as idve thought,and said,well,the stud fee will be the same,whether its for the same breed or another,and if(IF)they have all the health checks,itl cost the same,ditto rearing,so why shouldnt the breeders charge a decent amount?Made me think,nice to look at it from a different perspective.Come to think of it,he might have thought i was having a go(id forgotten he bred crosses for working,doh!)I still think there are enough nice purebred dogs in the world without people messing about trying to create others.

Yes the stud fee may be the same (though usually they own the stud) and the health tests (rarely seen any mention of health tests done) and rearing costs the same, but they do not rack up the costs of proving their dogs worth in showing or working, and in the main the crosses are twice the prise they could get from either parent mated to their own breed based on pet quality (unshown unworked parents) pet litter.

The prices I have seen seem to start at £800 which is higher than for a fully health tested top flight parentage pup in my own breed which could easily carry the rare tag when the average number bred each year and registered with the KC over last five years is 100.

I don't breed dogs. never have and never will but I do breed poultry. with poultry its not uncommon to do a first generation cross to get a crossbred that has certain virtues beyond the pure parents but they are always cheaper then the pure birds despite being more useful for the purpose required. the crosses cost same to rear etc but they are always cheaper and for the plain simple reason that same as these designer dogs they are a terminal generation- you can't breed off them to get more the same. thats one of reasons I don't understand why these crossbreds fetch so much.  at least with a full pedigree there is always the option if the dog proves outstanding of having restrictions lifted and breeding a few more in hope of getting another like that one- with a cross thats it-end of line.

Seen a local advert recently for .....  Newfoundland X Giant Poodles

Claims they will be better temperament than both breeds as more lively than one and less lively than the other    and....

Wait for it....

The coat will be easier to care for as it won't shed like a Newfoundland   (need a fainting smiley)   trade descriptions act might come into play here?

Price is up there with the top for stupid crosses :(

and finally, this is a repeat litter as the first were so popular!   :(

I think I'll just go away and beat my own brains out with a stick now :(  Clearly the general public are getting what they deserve :(

I have just seen a litter of pug x chi for £695, but do they actually sell these puppies i wonder as some of the adverts have been updated so obviously not going quickly.

6 miles radious in my area there are several different cross litters being offered, that's a lot of homes to find.
I suppose the good thing is if they dont sell the puppies hopefully the  people wont breed again.

most of these so named designer dogs are being sold for more than the pure pedigree dogs. I see lots of these dogs and some have the worst of both  the crosses. cross two 'hyper types and you get a disaster, cross the shaprnes/brightness of a collie with something else and you may just get a 'bright' disaster.  By crossing doesnt weaken helth problems as some may think. I have a friend with a golden doodle and he had both cruciates done last year.

the stud fee will be the same,whether its for the same breed or another,and if(IF)they have all the health checks,itl cost the same,ditto rearing,so why shouldnt the breeders charge a decent amount?Made me think,nice to look at it from a different perspective.

But the HUGE difference is these pups are bred ONLY to be sold and make money from, there is no actual breeding goal whatsoever. It's not like guide dogs or the police etc crossing working dogs to get the best possible workers, or anyone breeding purebred dogs with an actual goal of improving a breed, be it in showing (looks and temperament), working  (temperament and working ability plus of course in both cases health as well -and in some cases ALL of the characteristics together) etc. THAT to me is the worst part -breeding just for money. If they were only breeding for fun, they'd surely not charge MORE than for pedigrees. (At least ONE cost will be less anyway: no KC registration.) And it isn't the case either that they are breeding pet dogs as pure pets because there is a need for that, there are already lots of breeds and lots of puppies sold as pets even when the aim of the litter was something else but producing only pets.

I have just been to the park with the children and met a lady who has a 15 week old Goldie x Labradoodle and she was very quick to state that she thought the price she paid was a awful lot for a mongrel!! She was under no illusions of the fact that this dog more than likely will moult and that you couldn't bank on it not suffering any of the health issues.  They had quite simply lost their Lab recently and wanted something similar , but not the same. ( I would of thought a Goldie was a better choice). However they are a nice family and she appeared to be putting the effort into it's training so here's hoping it turns out to be a nice well balanced dog.

yes,i have to agree with you,goldmali.-when there is already so much choice of pedigree dogs,i simply dont understand why someone would want to buy a cross-i could perhaps understand it if they were cheap!I certainly never thought somethimg like this would happen!Being slightly collie-mad,i well remember the revulsion i felt years ago when i first realised people crossed collies and greyhounds to get lurchers-nothing against greyhounds,theyre beautiful,gentle dogs,and i love lurchers too!just didnt sit right!

I've been to the vet tonight with one of mine, and smiled at a guy because he had a cute puppy.  He proudly told me that Poochons were remarkably popular!  :-)

I met a gorgeous breed the other day, first time ever, and in fact I'm ashamed to say I didn't know they existed - the Lagotto Romagnolo.

Got me to thinking, after seeing how the dog looks (in particular) and behaves, etc.  (Please bear in mind I don't KNOW this breeds temperament, etc) - what's the need for a labrador x poodle, when the Lagotto exists?????

I didn't know that Lagotto Romagnolo existed either.

That's the point some of these breeds are quite rare and need support from both new breeders and people interested in taking them on.

For anyone that wants a curly gun-dog there is plenty of choice.

You have from the biggest the Curly Coted retriever, pretty low numbers, Irish Water Spaniel, lagotta, Spanish Water dog.  All breed true to type so you know what your getting.

So these people aren't trying to do anything new or worthwhile, why re-invent the wheel, they re doing it because it's a fashion fad and they can make money, same reason far too many pedigrees are bred too, purely for the 'market'.

Brainless *like* :)

And of course those of us with such breeds do health tests etc and some of us charge quit a bit less than your oodle types.  You can see what is produced as there are so few breeders and those of us that do have more than one to look at and they are of course related in some way.

just had an email from the guy crossing giant schnauzer and poodle--schnoodles! £1000 each obv. anyway, he said he did it because he couldnt get anyone to stud out their giant schnauzer! how awful is that?

he said he did it because he couldnt get anyone to stud out their giant schnauzer!

Or may be it says something about the quality of his bitch!!!

Or perhaps the reason he gave for wanting a litter!!!

i thought that nova, but he says shes a quality bitch from a top breeder, i thought it odd no one would stud if shes a good bitch, hes lying obv! i wonder if you can sue for misleading adds?

He may mean it is a bitch from a good breeder with good lines but that may not follow that his bitch is of quality, has she been shown or at least assessed by more than him and possible his breeder.

He may have given stud owners the idea he was only breeding to make money.

He may not be prepared to health test.

The bitch may have a poor temperament or flaring breed fault.

The bitch may not be registered.

The bitch may have endorsement.

Interesting fall out from the Poodle crossing fashion from a  specific rescue for them:

http://www.dogworld.co.uk/Features/28-Lilley-(3)?year=2011&month=07
"She went on to say that most labradoodles are being sold under false pretences since they are not allergy-friendly and non-shedding by any means, in fact often moult more than most breeds, the reason being that the moulting pattern of these two breeds is entirely different. Labradors generally have a bi-annual moult while Poodles moult continually into their own coats and have to be groomed daily to avoid matting. The resulting labradoodle coats actually require far higher maintenance than either of their purebred parents, particularly as far as grooming is concerned.
The other problem is that most reputable pure bred breeders in Britain will not allow their stock to be included in a labradoodle breeding programme so, therefore, the vast majority produced in this country are bred from non-health-tested stock. Labradoodles are often bred from those who would not pass the KC/BVA health tests and those known to carry hereditary faults. Many are thus afflicted by HD, elbow dysplasia, epilepsy, Addisons etc as well as eye problems such as PRA and hereditary cataract to name but a few.
Barbara goes on to say that many of these poor dogs "Are walking disasters, not to mention having very serious temperament problems" as there is often a clash of personalities with the breeds. They have appalling recall and go off hunting while having the bounciness of Poodles.
Almost all first crosses are huge, larger than the parents, and need constant stimulation as they become very destructive and/or aggressive if not continually occupied. Not a dog to be left alone at home!"

You need to enter the while link in your search bar, for some reason it hasn't all lit up.

http://www.dogworld.co.uk/Features/28-Lilley-(3)?year=2011&month=07

That description sums up a labradoodle i know :-)

just seen an advert for a peke-a-poo,oh and met a bernease cross with a giant poodle the other day
jo

At a puppy party on Wednesday I heard of a guy with a PugxPeke, who also has a Westie x some other toy breed (not sure what) aiming to mate the two to get......... You will never believe it........ WHITE PUGS!!!!!  Why would anyone think that the offspring of 4 different breeds would produce the colour of only 1 grandparent and the breed type of another?  It makes even less sense than most of them - whole new meaning to designer crosses, you cross a whole mix and by some sort of magic decide on what the offspring will be !!!!!  Of course that leves aside the quesiton why they want to breed a white pug anyway :(

At the same party there was a 10 week old Labradoodle - bought as the owners had wanted a lab but didn't wand the shedding.  She was a sweet, very calm pup,  which was unusual in itself, but at only 10 weeks already about 15"-16" tall, looks like she is going ot be a very big girl.  Set me wondering why are some of these Oodles so very big?  A goldendoodle which comes to a training class is so much bigger than I would expect either of its parent to be - bordering on a giant size dog.

15 - 16 " already at 10 weeks?  OMG that's going to be one big dog.  My breed are enough to handle and the girls are just around or slightly above that height when fully grown. 

Why would anyone think that the offspring of 4 different breeds would produce the colour of only 1 grandparent and the breed type of another?

No doubt the same type of person who thinks if you mate one black dog to a white dog the puppies will be black and white or grey....... LOL.

Set me wondering why are some of these Oodles so very big?

It mentioned in the DW article that first crosses are always bigger than the parents. That is fairly true for my own two (accidental) -well the dog anyway, he ended up bigger than either parent and is huge. I would guess it is because it is a complete outcross, as when you outcross you seem to often end up with bigger offspring. When I bought in a new stud cat a few years ago from new lines I got kittens that were huge. I have one queen who has had kittens that each is between twice as big as her to three times as big, and her grandson (outcrossed again) is four times as big as her.

I discovered a strange and perhaps worrying cross recently - the St Weiler - cross between a St Bernard and a Rottweiler. 

Small fluffy crossbreeds with silly names that you can stick in your handbag are one thing, but these dogs are BIG!

Why would anyone think that the offspring of 4 different breeds would produce the colour of only 1 grandparent and the breed type of another?

perhaps he thinks he's going to produce a litter like the one in the Disney film "Lady and the Tramp" LOL

you cross a whole mix and by some sort of magic decide on what the offspring will be !!!!!  Of course that leves aside the quesiton why they want to breed a white pug anyway

reminds me of the bloke who crossed a dalmation with poodle and the ad said 'expecting curly coated spotted dogs!' ended up with 10 black smooth  coated dogs and im sure they found it hard to sell them!

wouldnt a white pug be deaf?

reminds me of the bloke who crossed a dalmation with poodle and the ad said 'expecting curly coated spotted dogs!' ended up with 10 black smooth  coated dogs and im sure they found it hard to sell them!

Like my accidental litter 9 years ago, Golden Retriever x Malinois. 5 pups were black, 4 brindle with black masks. All had Malinois coats, ears fairly floppy, heads in between the two breeds. Several of the new owners and myself went to companion shows with them when they were young, and we were all forever told (by the so called judges) there was no WAY these dogs could be Golden Retriever OR Belgian Shepherd crosses, the blacks were OBVIOUSLY Labrador crosses and the brindles I was told were clearly Greyhound crosses.

reminds me of a friend who had a dalmation x cant remember but could have been rottie result not a spot in sight they called him" spot not"

the guy does not speak to me at club now but he was bragging to people that he was going to breed from his F1 labradoodle as she was an excellent speciman of the breed , and of course my mouth opened before i thought about it and said how is she an excellent breed speciman as i did not know the KC actually had given the crossbreed you have, a breed blueprint like every other kc reg dog has, he said the kc will register them eventually when there is so many in the country they will give in, and of course me being diplomatic said hopefully not in my lifetime, and he went on to lecture me about the labradoodle and all of his dogs good points and that i was one of those people that hated cross breeds and then i let him waffle a bit and then said sorry but what health tests will you be doing on your labradoodle the lab ones the poodle ones or both tests for both dogs, or will you just breed the pups and hope they are healthy and if she has 14 pups hope you have good homes for them all where non will go into rescue and non will have any health issues, because when people want one of my pups which is very rare as i hardly breed all relevant health tests are done on my dogs, and all my pups have what needs to be done to them before they are sent to their new homes and at least people can see what they are getting when i have a litter as you cannot guarantee what size your pups will be can you .
He just said i had no idea what i was talking about and his dog was healthy you could see by her coat, we got called into our class so it stopped the conversation but after class two of the people he had been talking to said that he had said to ignore me as i was one of those people who loved to cause trouble among dog breeding people and there was nothing wrong with his dog and did they still want one of her pups as they where a bargain at 900 a pup nearly fell through the floor at the price, but there is nothing going to stop him breeding from his bitch just he is not talking about it in my ear space what can i do ? nothing

Funny you should say that about the darker coat when you had Goldie crosses.  I amn racking my brain to remember what the goldie was crossed with when he came to my training classes.  Someone was breeding them for agility and he was mainly black with tan eyebrows and some tan on his legs.  I will try to remember but it did seem funny the colour he turned out.

Many years ago we accidentally bred a litter from a cairn bitch,sired by a westie dog,the result was cairns with white bibs,very cute but they grew a lot bigger than either parent.
A friend mated her white toy poodle to a show winning stud,I thought the 2 pups looked big,but the stud owner assured her they were proper poodles just not fine boned like her show dogs,so she sold them as poodles,but one came back when it put its ears up,it looked so comical,fortunately the new owner had become so fond, that they wanted to keep it,and accepted a 50% refund,she bought the other one back and kept it,it turned out that next doors westie dog was the dad so they decided to call their terrier poodle  Troodle and had both the poodle bitch and the troodle spayed asap!
I was recently approached by a yorkie owner wanting to use my westie stud to produce a litter of fourche terriers,I asked her if she knew how much the caesarian would cost her,and hope I convinced her that it was not a good idea to cross breed,She said her ex had the yorkies papers ,so could not breed proper yorkies.I googled fourche terriers out of curiousity, having never heard of them but apparently they have been been breeding them in Ireland since 1978 Yet another crossbreed with a fancy name.

> Yet another crossbreed with a fancy name.

I don't know about fancy.  Reminds me of a medical term.  Just stick "tte" on the end and Google it   :)

I don't know about fancy.  Reminds me of a medical term.  Just stick "tte" on the end and Google it

haha LOVE it!!!!

Fourche was the name of the kennel who first produced these terriers,and being Irish the pronunciation rhymes with push,lots of pictures of them online,looking pretty,but still will not let my stud cross breed for them.If people must cross breed they should atleast make sure the dam is the bigger breed.

This one amused me:
GSD x Alaskan Malamutes = MUTEshepherds

Haha, hardly think they will be!!